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  1. This disturbed me:
    “All of those involved in the Seattle protests against free trade are shipped to Cuba, where they spend the rest of their lives walking slowly behind a horse and plow.”
    … Because it was only a handfull of troublemakers that caused the problems, the protestors and citizens were attacked by the police. Do you really believe what the mainstream media had to say about this?

  2. Great New Year Column – finally someone who dares to speak the truth in our increasing PC,stifling, society!! Right on!

  3. Thanks Outrage you make some great points. I’d like to
    share something with you that I read a while back.

    Inside of me are two dogs…
    one is mean and evil, and the other is good, and they
    fight al the time….
    When asked which one wins, he answers,
    The one I feed most…
    an Indian Elder

    Have a great new year everyone.

  4. You said <<Women and blacks stop blaming middle-aged white men for all their problems and start thinking that maybe, just maybe, the solution lies within themselves. >>

    And I’d like to see middle-aged white men stop blaming women and blacks for the problems of middle-aged, white men.

    Maybe the answer is that EVERYONE take responsibility for their choices, lives, problems. No, prolly too much to ask?

  5. As long as we’re wishing for miracles & the unobtainable, I’m wishing that the next century will FINALLY see the end of liberalism as a “recognized, viable” political philosophy. We all know this won’t occur until Logic & Rationality are restored to positions of influence … Extremely Unlikely in our lifetimes.

  6. When I get spam, I usually reply back by hitting the reply button , type remove in the subject line,
    and send. Far too many or these come back as undeliverable e-mails. I then call the toll free phone number
    and tell them to remove my e-mail address over the phone.
    Please do not publish my e-mail address.

  7. I wish to add to my last comment on spam

    If more people behave like me, this type of spamming might end, as marketers face increasing costs related to the
    toll free numbers.

  8. I hope that there will be a little more responsibility taken for individual actions, rather than blaming everybody else!

  9. Since “goodwill toward men [mankind]” is not really possible on a mass scale, I would love to see
    all of the marxists recant their poisonous nonsense and start reading the Bible or
    F.A. Hayek or both.
    On a more personal note, I need to win the powerball the next time the game hits 200 million or so,
    so that I can afford to move “off shore” where our greedy federal government can no longer tax my family
    into poverty. On the way out I promise to leave “The Outrage” a very generous grant to assure that it stays
    online.

    Merry Christmas, Happy New Year

  10. “Want to set us straight?”
    The only thing to celebrate in the year 2000 is a year long Irish Wake, for the END of the decade/century/millenium. The new ones will NOT start until 2001!!!

  11. What I am hoping for, more than anything else for our country, is the return to sanity by government. When I see politicians driving in their ‘stretches’ or flying in their ‘private’ jets, paid for by tax dollars, I’m worried.

    I’m not envious; I don’t need this form of ‘power’ to feel I have accomplished something.
    I don’t need an aide to assist my every beck and call.

    Government has ceased to be for the people. It has become the vehicle for the perpetuation of power. It can’t succeed over the long run, but in the meantime, it hurts a great deal of people. For this I am very sad, but based on the promise, Merry Christmas to all!

  12. I would like to go back to a time when the criminals were
    violent and the cops were friendly. Now it is the other
    way where police departments in large cities are armed
    better than the militarys of most small nations, and don’t
    hesitate to use it and most criminals use comptuers.
    And, I would like to go back to a time when it was legal
    to bring a sling shot to show and tell in school.
    The media have sensationalized shootings so much by
    giving all the gory details whenever possible that kids
    are realizing that is the fastest way to make themselves
    famous. There is always going to be a little violence out
    there, we just have to deal with it. It isn’t solved by taking
    everyone’s guns away. News flash – criminals don’t
    care about legislation. I appologize for being long
    winded. Thank you.

  13. I want Socialists/Demo-rats to
    feel the poverty they have prolonged, I want a good, Ron-
    ald Reagan Republican Form of
    Gov’t, NO TAXES, NO DEPT’S OF
    THIS AND THAT, NO BEAUR-RATS,
    NO LOBBYISTS, NO BANS ON CIGA-
    RETTES, NO GOV’T KNOWS BEST FOR CHILDREN, OR ELDERLY OR ANYONE!!!LEAVE US ALONE TO LIVE OUR LIVES AS WE WANT AS
    LONG AS WE DON’T HURT ANYONE
    ELSE (LIVE BY THE 10 COMMAND-
    MENTS)!OKAY – AND HAVE SOMEONE
    PUT bc IN JAIL FOR TREASON!!!
    OUTRAGEOUS, RIGHT, BUT MAKES
    SENSE!!!

  14. I haven’t seen thisritten about. Maybe i missed it. My outrage? A 10 yr. old boy, obviously afraid of all the school violence, asks his teacher if the window in the door to the classroom is bullet-proof. He is suspended for 3 days, not allowed to go to his Christmas party at school, accused of making terroristic threats. A 7 yr. old girl, just arriving to school, tells her teacher that her mother is dead. the child is told not to talk like that, sent back to her seat, spends the whole day in school and is found later that night sleeping in her DEAD mother’s arms. Outraged is not the word i would use for this appalling behavior on the part of the teachers. Are teachers lacking basic common sense anymore? My God! (can i use the God’s name here?)What is wrong with you teachers lately? Have you lost your minds? I think so!

  15. I realize the possibillity of kaoss happening in the streets on new years eve 12:00am but only because the media said it was ok to acted like a bunch of wild animals. That`s right,if they say it`s ok to acted like a moron on a FULL MOON, then I guess it`s ok to acted like a looser on the new year,WHY NOT?!?!

  16. Justice will be done when the most OUTRAGEOUS President in history will be humiliated and convicted for stuff he has done….Thats right….William Kennedy…er Jefferson Clinton….Hillary will prove she is NOT Bobby Kennedy by losing her election in NY. And she will divorce Bill when he is indicted on charges of being an agent for the Chinese govt…..and the kicker….Chelsea will become a Republican and run for the House for the GOP in Little Rock, AR in 2006 and win as soon as she is legal age.

  17. I too was disturbed by the comment on the Seattle protesters in that you lumped all the non-violent protesters with the violent ones. Our government is selling us out economically to the Chinese. I do not buy “Made in China” goods (as difficult as this may seem) unless driven to the wall. Even Walmart who a few years ago touted “we buy USA” seems to be featuring an inordinate amount of foreign made goods.

  18. lol…i like the thing you said about women and blacks blaming middle aged white men for their problems.
    the only one women have to blame for their problems is themselves. being a female i think i qualify to say this.
    we started our own problems. there was a time when we could sit at home, clean house and take care of the kids.
    remember those days? i think that was when we didn’t hear quite so much about our kids carrying guns to school,
    wasn’t it? and just think how clean our houses use to be! without the help of a maid too! but nooooooooooooo, we
    had to become like men……i say bah! humbug! i want the old days back..when a family could afford a home on one
    income. and i can take my kids back and forth where they need to go without having to take time off from work to do
    it. women’s lib…baaaaaaaaah! yeah, if we do the same job we should get the same pay but other than that…you can
    keep the damned liberal BS to yourselves!

  19. I am outraged at a government that allows and even participates
    in child abuse.
    Even more outrageous are so called “news organizations” that
    refuse to investigate or report these atrocities.
    Outrage #3 are the “advocates” that offer nothing but good
    wishes and waste the time of anyone who is actually trying
    to make a difference.
    Probably the worst of the bunch are the good old folks
    that believe thier government will do what is right without
    a voice from the people.

  20. What I would like to see for the new year is for politicians to stop controling commodity prices by using imports from other countries. They jerk the strings to flood this country with imports that brings US producer’s prices below the cost of production, then they come in on their white horses and say how they must save the farmers. This is not what most farmers want even though that is how most farm states vote (Democrat).

  21. Here’s an Outrage for you! From http://www.2600.com.

    Sincerely,

    Bob & Janette

    FEDS RAID ELECTRONIC HOBBY VENDORS
    12/18/99

    2600 has learned that several small electronic hobbyist vendors were
    recently raided by federal agents brandishing semiautomatic weapons. News of
    these raids has been kept out of the media and many of those involved fear
    retribution if they openly discuss the case. Until now, these companies had
    operated for years selling harmless educational electronic kits (like
    wireless microphones) to students, hobbyists, ham radio operators, and
    hackers. Now their inventories are being seized at gunpoint–and their
    owners could be facing bankruptcy and prison time.

    The U.S. Dept. of Justice is apparently re-interpreting federal wiretapping
    and smuggling laws to include small hobby radio transmitters. Even
    possessing so-called “Mr. Microphone” type toys can now put hobbyists at
    risk of looking down the barrel of a federal agent’s loaded gun, a felony
    conviction, federal prison time, loss of property, and legal fees into the
    tens of thousands of dollars.

    Ramsey Electronics and Super Circuits are just two of the companies recently
    raided at gunpoint. Both have good and longstanding reputations for selling
    inexpensive, quality educational kits and components to electronics
    hobbyists for many years through ads in electronic hobby magazines and their
    websites.

    A high-ranking Justice Dept. official told one of the business owners the
    orders for these raids are politically motivated and originated from a very
    high level in the Clinton administration as a result of the Linda Tripp
    wiretapping case. “They just need convictions,” the official said.

    Earlier this year the Justice Dept. indicted Bill Cheek, the well-known and
    loved author of books on radio scanner modifications and Monitoring Times
    column writer. Bill was selling very simple “data-slicer” circuits (made
    from parts available at any Radio Shack) that could be used with a PC and a
    scanner to monitor radio data transmissions–including unencrypted police
    mobile data terminal (MDT) transmissions. Even after Bill had been diagnosed
    with terminal cancer, the Federal government refused to back off, even
    issuing a summons to court on the same day he was to begin chemotherapy.

    In 1995 2600’s BernieS was locked up in five different maximum-security
    prisons over 14 months by the Secret Service for possessing his laptop
    computer, his software, and ordinary electronic parts available at Radio
    Shack. He had been distributing parts, software, books, and pamphlets about
    cellular and coin telephones. The Justice Department’s final investigation
    report stated “There were no victims in the offense.”

    This is a clear pattern of harassment and abuse of power by our Federal
    government against people teaching others about electronic communications.
    It appears our government doesn’t want people to know this information. 2600
    strongly feels this knowledge is important for people to have, and will
    continue spreading it at every opportunity. Write and call your legislators
    to complain about this injustice. You could be next!

  22. 1) teachers and politicians wake up and realize that cuts arn’t whats hurting kids, STRIKES ARE HURTING KIDS!
    2) ppl finally reaize what thier kids are REALLY doing behind thier back

  23. I would like to see the end of affirmative action! It is degrading
    to treat women and minorities with kid gloves and give them
    “special treatment.” It is degrading to women and minorities
    to “lower the bar,” indicating that we are incapable of getting
    ahead without help. And, it isn’t fair to pass over a more qualified
    candidate in order to maintain a “quota.” I, for one, want to get
    ahead in life by my own hard work and determination, not
    because I’ve been given special privelages for being female.
    <p>
    Meagan, a woman who does NOT blame middle-aged white
    men for all of my problems!

  24. I would also like to see the sterilization of more pets, so that
    unwanted puppies and kittens, especially those who have to
    be put to sleep, become a thing of the past.
    <p>
    Meagan

  25. I too long for the return of reason, common sense and the ability to laugh at the myopic ones that seek to influence us into believe what we do not think or feel

  26. It would be nice if we could be governed by the constitution,as written, instead of interpreted, extrapolated and totally distorted by the supreme court.

  27. What I would like to see happen
    in the new year of 2000 is for all
    the people that paniced and were
    sure the Y2K computer meltdown was
    going to stop life as we know it
    and bought every thing the greed mongers
    offered to survive finds themselves with
    a useless bunch of junk when the chaos fails
    to materialize. Then listen to them cry about how
    they were “taken advantage of” by those just
    looking to line their pockets by helping to spread
    the news of the upcoming catastrophe. When they see
    that yes food, gasoline, and transportation are still
    available and they have no need for their survival equipment
    but are out a lot of money, only then will they find that
    with a little common sense (that is severly lacking in this world)
    they should have realized that the computer is nothing more than
    a tool to make life a little easier not to make life end with the
    discovery of a little glich. Hopefully then they will get a life and
    try to have it be one in the 21st century not the 19th that they have
    had their heads in.

  28. I would like to see in the next year some semblence of responsibility
    taken by parents when their kids go out and do something wrong. Don’t
    try to blame it on the media, video games, or society but put the blame
    where it should be put, on the parents that didn’t take the time to discipline
    their child for fear of being too hard on them. If you are responsible enough
    to have sex you should be responsible enough to raise a child if that is the
    outcome of your coupling. You should do what the baby boomers parents did and
    teach your children morals like honesty, respect for teachers and their elders,
    compassion for others, and respect for the rights and property of others. As a
    baby boomer I was taught all these things and we didn’t talk back to the teachers
    without the wrath of my parents and with their discipline I learned how to live my
    life without infringing on the rights of others. I was given a turn a few times with
    my fathers belt (not beaten) as a reminder of what was right and what was wrong in my
    actions. I was not traumatized by these “experiences” but learned the lesson of morality
    and treating others right. We didn’t attack others for there clothing or possesions or
    mark their property with graffiti to identify our “turf”. We were just brought up to know
    the difference between what is right and what was wrong. Todays parents don’t seem to care
    what their kids do. How can they not notice that their child has in their possesion items that
    they did not buy for them? How can they not notice the actions that they do that are not socially
    acceptable? It’s time to get tough on the kids that don’t care about anything except what they want
    when they want it and take it if they aren’t given it by mom or dad. Kids that commit adult crimes
    should be punished just like an adult. The juvenile court system is run with the mind set that these
    kids are like us when we were growing up but that is far from the case. Start putting their names in the
    paper and news and try a little humility for a change. Embarrass them and stop hiding them to protect
    their feelings. Then start giving the parents a like punishment for not paying them the attention they
    apparently require so they won’t get into trouble and we should see a change in the amount of violence and
    destruction that so many kids cause today. It is time to make a stand and get things going back to the simple
    concept of right and wrong and taking responsibility for your actions when you do wrong. Maybe I am too
    idealistic in thinking this can happen but it needs to start somewhere.

  29. Who cares anyway, the things that we want the most such as Equal rights to all W/o Affirmative action, Less/No taxes, Safe schools, free trade or not and teachers that teach and not strike everytime “they Deserve a raise” will not happen as MOST people (not all) are stupid, greedy, incompetent, bigots that cannot see thier the errors in whats going on to make a small attempt to change all the crap the USA is buried under right now I’m up to my neck in crap, and gagging from the scent of it.

  30. Now I just cannot agree less with Dale why blame the parents, maybe they did make a huge effort to give thier kids morals and the child/children just did not take what they were saying to heart, or maybe they did and saw the news one night and said hey look mass murderer’s become famous, and lost sight or ignored what the parents said, why would this be the parents fault childeren are pretty sneaky we were all kids once and don’t try to tell me you never did anything bad or against the law because if you did try I would call you a lair. I know these infractions would be no where near the scale of Columbine High School, but still you know that you didn’t always do what your parents told you, so how can a rational person justify blaming parents who tried to raise thier kids, make a living, and give these young people a nurturing, loving place to grow up and did not abuse, molest, or otherwise attempt to screw up thier childeren. Why blame the parents, some things are just beyond the control, or even comprehension of parents, say it was one of your kids that did this, would you have any idea what was happening until after it happened?

  31. My wish list:
    1. The American public values security, altruism, and integrity
    more than entertainment. They will also despise large successful theives as much
    as they do small time losers instead of the admiration they so often show..

    2. People who think professional wrestling is real will not be allowed to vote nor
    will anyone be allowed to vote who believes more than 20% of what they see on the
    evening news.

    3. People will realize that “getting the government off our backs” means removing the last
    barriers from our complete domination by the plutocracy.

    4. The owners of the pharmaceutical industry will be stood against a wall and shot.

    5. People will learn that to do any significant amounts of business with 95% of the
    large organizations in this country requires paying a bribe. (Oh yes it does!)

    6. A law will prohibit fat people from wearing spandex and another law will prohibit
    persons with false teeth from performing oral sex in a moving elevator.

    7. America will wake up to the fact that the consumer base is being destroyed as
    the wealth is sucked upward and realize that manufacturing really does matter. We
    can’t exist as a nation if we just do each others laundry.

  32. Outraged by Outrages? Certainly not! Writing one’s outrage on any subect is an aid in dealing with outrage without resorting to violence. When I’m angry with someone, I write that person a letter, giving vent to my “outrage”, then tearing it up for the ash can. Helps me to sleep better and overcome my anger. Opulent Gov’t. spending outrages me. My S.S. increase this January 1st is a whopping big $22.00, which is actually above the national average. Am I grateful? Yes. But, once I read a book on senseless Government spending which revealed that during the Bush administration, $2,000.00 was spent for embossed playing cards for Airforce II, Dan (Potato Head) Quayle’s means of transportation! A grant to study the sex life of the tsetse fly? PLEASE!! I agree with whomever suggested we use the GASKI principle when voting next year.

  33. That we’d pass a new law stating that for each additional new law passed, two would have to be taken off the books. (Imagine how hard it would be to get frivilous and stupid laws passed!)

  34. Why would we promote Free Trade? It is like NAFTA. All the companies are moving their businesses to Mexico so they can hire people at slave wages and take jobs away from Americans. We are going to have to stick together and buy nothing that is not Made In America. Which is hard to do because even American made cars have foreign parts in them. Thie country is soon going to be a country of princes and paupers if companies are allowed to take fair wages from Americans and have all their products made by countries that exploit the poor. Please don’t print my EMail address.

  35. I’m outraged at the citizens of this country for allowing themselves to be spoon fed the daily diet of bs from Washington without having the slightist clue that their freedoms and individuality are being stripped away every minute. People, you need to wake up, do your research, open your mind, and realize there’s more to every story than what the White House tells Ted Turner to tell us.
    Start standing up for other’s constitutional rights, even if you don’t agree with what they do or say, because soon it will be your turn to loose a freedom you enjoy, and there will be no one there to stand up for you…

  36. To: Outraged Recipients<updates@www.dailyoutrage.com>
    From: THE OUTRAGE <moderator@www.dailyoutrage.com>
    Subject: NEW YEARS WISHES!

    Since you ask for a “rageback,” stanbuck@idsmail.com‘s reply to your
    above referenced message, a part of which is duplicated below, is
    contained in [these type brackets] within your message, with a P.S. at
    the end.

    We’ve brought you well over 200 Outrages so you should know us pretty
    well by now. But we’ve never asked who you are – how very rude of us!
    Please take a minute to tell us why you read The Outrage, and a little
    about yourself – just between you and us of course. [We did.]

    We hope you have an Outrageous holiday.

    NEW YEAR’S WISHES!

    At the close of this year, decade, century, and, depending on your point
    of view, millennium, we thought it might be appropriate to list some of
    those items we’re hoping to see during the next year, century, decade,
    or millennium: [You “The Outrage!” readers are too educated and intelligent to be ones
    who are joining the media in perpetrating what we call the “Millennium Fraud” by saying
    that the 20th century and the 2nd millennium A. D. end on 12/31/99, when
    we all know perfectly well that neither of those is true!

    We are continually appalled when we hear people say that this is(was) the last
    (fill in the blank holiday or celebration) of the century. We can no longer sit still and introvert
    about this. For most of this year, we have listened to the (feigned?) blissful ignorance of the
    “Millennium” motivators , including the First Perjurer, who say that this or that is the “last
    (fill in the blank) of the 20th century,” “… as we move into the next Millennium …,” etc.
    You get the point. We assume that, because the national media must believe that this, like
    their precious “campaign finance reform” refrain which can ONLY benefit the national media,
    themselves, and, consequently, the Democrats, it should not be unexpected that the national
    media are allowing (helping?) this lie to become “fact” by unceasingly repeating that the new
    century starts 1-1-2000; or, that this or that in 1999 is the last one of the 20th century or
    Millennium. My octogenarian memory may be slipping a bit, but I know of no one who was
    ever taught to start counting at “0.” In 1582, when the final calendar correction was made
    to what is now known as the Gregorian calendar, [adopted by the British Empire (and the
    American colonies) in 1752] did Pope Gregory XIII designate the first year A.D. as “0?”
    If not, that is if the first year A.D. is “1,” then the last day of the 20th Century and the 2nd
    Millennium A. D. is December 31, 2000, and the last year of both is 2000, not 1999!!!
    Listening to the once-revered CBS news on my car radio on November 11, I heard that
    the First Liar said, “On this last Veterans Day of the 20th century ….,” without the
    announcer noting that said POTUS is either ignorant or lying purposefully (no doubt for
    some perceived political advantage). I also heard the Great Fabricator say basically
    the same thing on 7-4-99 about Independence Day (and, without having heard it, I’m
    sure that he has also said it about other 1999 events). Is this because he is using
    1999 as year one of a planned double dose of “Millennium issues?” Will he
    (and the media) then, sometime after 1-1-00, after having drained the last drop of
    usefulness from 1999 as “the bridge to the 21st century,” suddenly “discover” that
    2000 is actually the last year of the Millennium and the Millennium refrain will begin
    anew? I guess some poll must have told them that this will give them another year
    of political benefit to spin their Millennium madness. We hope you will correctly
    inform your readers. If I am incorrect, please, please, please edify me with a
    logical and factual position that I can use to corroborate or negate my (and my
    progeny’s) belief about the millennium as a lesson for my 16 grandchildren and
    34 (and counting) great-grandchildren and to take a load off my mind because,
    as of now, they all have been taught that Clinton, the media, etc. are full of it
    about the millennium. – 12/24/99 – 8:18 P.M.]

    Among other emerging technologies, a truth serum will be developed and
    fed, by force if necessary, to presidential candidates. When asked why
    they are running for president, candidates will respond: “It’s the power
    thing man – I get off being the most powerful person on the planet, and
    having my fingers on the nuclear trigger. Also, I dig motorcades. And,
    of course, the interns.”

    Investors come to the startling realization that there are stocks
    outside of the NASDAQ index. The P/E on Yahoo returns to this galaxy.
    [No, man, let it run!] …

    Spammers, telemarketers, and junk mailers are buried in the mountain of
    garbage they have created. [ABSOLUTELY!!]

    The Association of Trial Lawyers of America announces a lobbying
    campaign to prohibit class action suits and contingency fees, and calls
    for harsh penalties against those filing frivolous lawsuits. The
    president of the American Bar Association says “It’s time to admit that
    the vast majority of litigation is purely the result of greed on the
    part of litigants and lawyers.” [Right after Hell freezes over.]

    Public policy makers decide that, maybe after all, the best way to help
    the poor is simply not to hurt them. Taxes on incomes under $25,000 are
    abolished, as are all of the wasteful programs funded by those taxes.
    [This could actually happen.]

    The founders of Earth First abandon the environmental movement after
    their research reveals that humans are, in fact, an integral part of
    planet earth. [A Wacko Wonder would have to occur.]

    Women and blacks stop blaming middle-aged white men for all their
    problems and start thinking that maybe, just maybe, the solution lies
    within themselves. [What? A return to responsibility??]

    Someone whose father was not a politician becomes president of the
    United States. [Wait a minute, here!! Haven’t we had one of those for
    about 7 years, now? Oh, yes, the First Perjurer/ Great Prevaricator is
    still spinning on and on. If my choice is between another First Liar
    and the son of a politician, I’ll take the latter.]

    Lisa forgets about some foolish things we said in the last century and
    comes back home. [Whomever Lisa is, we’re hoping with you.]

    Harry New Year to All:
    stanbuck@idsmail.com

  37. Let’s have a “Non-Outrageous New Year”–cut the federal bureaucracy ’til it bleeds, bandage their wounds and send them home with an Rx that says:”Don’t call us, we’ll call you!”

  38. All of the greedy snake MoFo’s
    will put a lighter to their private parts (YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE GUYS & GIRLS)so they can see what awaits them when they die and go to HELL.And that boys and girls is reality
    at its best.There is no such thing as light at the end of the tunnel if we ALL can’t SEE past our own pointy little
    noses.And if I anger anybody,OH WELL.That’s LIFE,like it or lump it……

  39. My father always told me to crap in one hand and wish in the other then see which one fills up first. But here goes.
    I wish people would realize that when a politician says “invest” he really means tax and spend, and that Roosevelts “New Deal” really shattered the economic, political and moral principles this country was founded on creating Social Security the biggest scam ever, and that all people will realize that need is not a right and that before government can give you anything it must first take it away, and that government services are not free, they are extracted from the hides of your neighbors. Oh well I can wish. Happy New Year to all.

  40. My hope for the new”millenium” is that the media doesn’t use their own mistake to their advanatage and harp at us about the new millenium for another year straight!

  41. I wish our justice system would wake up and start meting out punishment to fit the crime. When you sentence someone to life in prison, be sure it’s life, not a few years. If someone is convicted of first degree murder, execute them. Stop all the years of appeals; the victims didn’t get a chance to appeal.Let’s have one justice system, not one for the poor and another one for the rich or famous. They are no better than regular folks, they’re only richer.

    I wish peace, health and prosperity to everyone.

    I wish that the federal government would simply perform it’s constitutionally mandated duties and nothing more.

    I wish that those displaced by the massive layoff caused by the previous wish gainful employment. That is, of course, provided that they simply decent folks doing jobs they believed to be necessary.
    For those who sought to use government as a means to enrich themselves, gain power prestige and bolster their egos. I wish them luck on their new positions as full time line workers in the fast food industry. Or, if appropriate, many years in pennitentiaries.

  42. Bravo for all the healthy venting on this “Outrage”! Many of you have wise things to say…I realize that we are in the “new year” (and by the way, thank all of you who tried to set the record straight about the millenium), however, if it’s alright to do so, I’d like to add my wishes. For the “future” & “present”, for that which is NOW, I wish for us (the many peoples of the world) to appreciate our differences and celebrate them. We should view one another as fascinating, not threatening. We should be THANKFUL we’re all not alike. (How BORING would THAT be.) AND we should do what we can to help one another along the journey of life. It all really boils down to one principle. We have to love one another to survive. We can’t go on annihilating one another and survive another millenium. Today’s children must learn to respect the world at large. That means other peoples, other opinions, other ways of life. This MUST be done or the world IS doomed. I don’t mean to have “religious” overtones. This is just common sense. A wish for a “world yet to be”? Tolerance, love, a willingness to help thy neighbor. Too much to ask? Probably. But, you asked. Thanks for asking.

  43. The judge is a fool; worse, he has such a low opinion of the value of a human life he should not be on the bench!
    Wal-Mart is correct. Catering to the femi nazis as Rush calls them will only create in them a desire to demand more. What is wrong with wanting the tradition to remain as it is?

  44. I agree with Will Lowe about the judge who slapped the kid on the hand for
    for killing his friend in a car accident. I was reading an article
    this morning about teenage drivers and they are the greatest
    cause of death in auto accidents. The statistics showed that
    16 year old drivers composed only .5 percent of total drivers
    but were responsible for almost 3 percent of deaths in auto
    accidents. That doesn’t sound like a very large number , but
    just think of what it would be like if all the other age groups
    were responsible for that great a percentage.
    As for the WalMart case , I don’t see why they hired her for the job.
    It seems as if they were just trying to cover for themselves
    after the mother complained to management.

  45. The punishment dealt by the judge is a slap in the face of all others involved. (victims friends, family, etc…) Wal-mart knew she was a female when they hired her she’s right, they’re wrong. Suggesting that she be the passenger in the first story is a bit over the top. Now Rush, or Will Lowe as that passenger I’m all for.

  46. It seems to me that it is as I have been saying for years. We need to start taking responsibility for our own actions. It is tough to make a comment about the 16 yr. old without knowing what the previous behavior was. But sounds to me like a bit too lenient. Then what was done about the little brat that pinched “Santa” in the first place! If that mother would have taken responsibility for her kids action in the first place!

  47. Eric Floyd should have been found guilty of unpremeditated
    manslaughter and given the maximim sentence for his
    state. After he got out he should not have been allowed
    more than a learner’s permit until he proved himself to
    be a safe responsible driver.

  48. Well its hard to say. Fear of what might happen to him makes people to strange things in certain circumstances. The fifty dollar fine should have been replaced with 500 hours of working on an EMT vehicle that goes out to get hurt people from accidents. He should have had to help get the people out of the vehicles so that the images of these dismembered people along with their moons and groons of pain would have burned into his mind forever. Oh yes there are you liberals who are saying, how could you think about subjecting a “child” to this? Well its real easy and it works. I know. Drug and Alcohol school in the USA with graphic picture of people ODing on herion did it for me.

    $50.00 just isn’t going to cut it.

  49. to lienant. This seems to be happening more and more. Why not write also about a State Trooper in Nebraska who knocked his wife’s jaw out of place then proceeded to choke her until she passed out, had his 16 year old son call 911 because he thought he had killed her. This person was slapped with a disturbing the peace. The county attorney had stepped aside of the original case, an attorney from a neighboring county was brought in as prosecutor, and he never showed up at court. Or how about a 18 year old drunk driver in Lubbock, Texas that purposely run over a 26 year old Hispanic whose car had broken down on the side of the road. This 18 year old drunk was let off with out any charges. Where is American justice? She really is blind!!!!

  50. Was Eric Floyds punishment too lenient? What, is this a trick question? I’m sure the grueling task of a 2000 word essay was enough to set him straight. I’m sure the words he conjured up were sufficient to ease the suffering of the dead childs parents. Jesus, what is this world coming to? Incarceration until his 21st birthday, garnished wages for life to go to the parents of the boy he murdered, and maybe a public flogging to boot would still be too lenient. If the courts won’t enforce our laws then his parents have the moral obligation to do so. The boy should be imprisoned and the judge should be canned for his outrageous decision.

  51. These two stories, The slap on the wrist and the politically correct Santa, are both outrageous examples of what can happen when any society becomes complacent and arrogant. It is then that they come to believe that all previous standards of conduct no longer apply…because they are superior and need to set out new standards. Has there been a single aspect of our culture that this generation has overlooked? From changing the name of a school from George Washington to M.L. King because our first presidet had slaves to approving of Bill Clinton’s outrageous conduct, we have denounced every historic hero, every moral code, and every principle of decency previously laid out by our forefathers.
    That slavery was an accepted practice for those times, that slaves were acquired in lieu of being killed by other blacks, that even blacks owned slaves…is simply ignored to give the charges of bigotry the tiny amount of credibility it enjoys.
    That moral codes and rules of conduct were set down through an evolutionary process, and that they all had sound reasoning when applied to the welfare and best interest of our entire society, has also been largely ignored by politicians, judges, and community leaders who, acting out of self-interest and greed, refuse to connect the dots and look at the devastation they have wrought.
    In both of the examples you have presented, the probable outcome will never be fairly gauged or examined,…but the immediate pat on the back for some idiots ‘compassion’ will fill the news.

    wake UP— america,
    ban liberls–not guns
    to late for those people,
    but not to late for us.
    GO OUT AND VOTE
    get ride of these lib-judges
    and people who want to run OUR
    LIVES.

  52. I like to think we need only one law. I call it the Golden Law. “We will do unto you as you have done unto others and your neighbors will be your judge.”

  53. All people who harm people, property or community values by acting in a way that displays contempt for the rights of the group or society as a whole, should be tried as adults, and should forfiet their rights to be licensed to operate any equipment capable of harming anyone or anything ever again. I believe that when we are made responsible for all our actions, society benefits along with the individual.

  54. It makes me very upset as a parent of a teenager myself
    that someone could hurt him this badly and leave him for dead, have him die and
    get away with it…and yet if you pump gas and drive off without paying for it (in Georgia)
    you lose your lisence forever.
    It is also very clear this boy has learned not one thing being he has gotten
    two speeding tickets since he murder his friend.

    And, as for the Santa story…well it is an odd story but if Wal-mart feels that
    way about the legend of Santa being a man, then why did
    they hire her for it in the first place?

  55. It’s obvious, Floyd should be charged with manslaughter, leaving the scene of an accident and failing to aid in an accident. These are all felonies. Not to charge him on the basis of poor judgment should be a felony and the judge should be charged. But obviously, he’s a Clintonista, and so there is no morality … thus no shame.

  56. Eric Floyd is a perfect example of what happens when we, as a society, accept unacceptable behavior. It is a shame that out society has created a justice system where a human life is worth only $50, but a woman’s “embarrassment” may be worth more than $60,000.
    By the way, “hooray” for Wal-Mart. In today’s world of sue and settle, it’s good to see a company standing up to something rather than settling to avoid publicity.

  57. This entire story is the most sickening thing I have ever
    read. Justice? Good grief. Apparently the parents of the
    dead child can do nothing to secure justice for their loss.
    Frankly, the perpetrator of this crime is a murderer. He
    caused the accident & left his injured “friend” to die. If that
    isn’t murder, I’d like to know what is. Hanging would be too
    good for the creep. I’ll wager he’ll have murdered a few more
    “friends” just for kicks before he’s 25. Justice? Har de har
    har har. There is none in this country anymore.

  58. At a minimum, the kid should have been charged as an adult with vehicular manslaughter. Punishment should have been whatever is “normally” given to any adult convicted of vehicular manslaughter — probably 3 to 5 years, I’d guess.

    Bill Johnson

  59. It is very simple in my world of justice – Eric Floyd is found guilty of murder in the courtroom and is immediately taken to the adjoining room and executed – no one left to excuse his reckless behavior, no time for his family to say goodbye to this useless knuckle dragger and certainly no appeals to save his miserable existance – just instant justice

  60. Regarding Eric, criminal behavior will only be deterred when the punishment received is greater than the pleasure derived from committing the crime. Eric’s penalty should have given him more pain than the pleasure he got driving his friend’s convertible prior to the accident. The judge, it seems, should have made the punishment more painful.
    Regarding WalMart and the She-Santa, I applaud WalMart for at least giving a woman a chance to be Santa, even though they (as most of us) believe that Santa is a man. Obviously no one counted on breast-pinching, pint-sized kids who are either old enough or perceptive enough to tell the difference between a belly and boobs. And why was Martha playing Santa? Was it because she loved bringing joy to children or was she in it for the money? If it was for the kids, then why would she want to continue if they could tell she was obviously a wrongly-padded Santa? Santa carries enough disillusionment. Why make it worse?
    There’s something to be said for having the courage to try something new. But there’s wisdom in knowing when to give it up and get on with life. I hope WalMart wins the case and Martha gets a stocking full of legal fees.

  61. Until there is a CLEAR message made available to anyone who is or may drive that behavior such as this (sic) can not and will not be tolerated. Unless there are consequences for naughty, bad, even criminal vehicular manslaughter, there will NOT be any changes in behavior. This is already fact, because it keeps happening. In some states, they have children as young as 10 being held responsible for their bad behavior. If a juvenile is capable of getting behind a wheel of a motor vehicle and is not capable of accepting the consequences of his behavior, then, we, the people have to teach them. Put them someplace away from being able to hurt other innocent bystanders and teach them what it means to lose a life to such stupidity and carelessness. I’m shocked at the callousness of the judge who “passed sentence” on this very bad boy!

  62. Eric Floyd should be put in a car, driven by a remote control, which reproduces exactly as possible the accident he cause with this exception:
    he should be the passenger and let the chips fall where they may. And maybe the car should be driven by the Judge who decided this was a “case of bad judgement”
    as well.

  63. Isn’t this the same action that Senator Ted Kennedy took
    30 years ago? While driving home from a party with a passenger,
    Ted’s automobile dived off of a bridge and sank to the bottom of a body
    of water. Rather than go back and save his passenger from the drink,
    he waited for a period of time and called his lawyer to find out how he
    could get is neck out of the legal noose his behavior had created. Now he is
    a well respected United States Senator [sic].

  64. I could not believe what I read until I happened to remember that
    liberal judges do not believe in punishment. Floyd should have been
    tried as an adult and given the maximum. Just because he
    was only 16 does not excuse him. His parents should have been given
    sentences also, after all, they trained him.

    Hoyt

  65. I THOUGHT THAT IN TRYING A CASE WE / US COURTS USED OTHER CASE HISTORY’S TO SET A PRECEDENCE FOR FUTURE CASES?
    After having said that is it no wonder why this sad climax with this boy, when this case is exactly like the Kennedy case.
    Even us dumb people can see that there is no difference.
    I’m sure this boy will be ready for a senate job down the line.

  66. I believe that ‘tried as an adult’ is nonsense, that’s why exceptions were made for juviniles. HOWEVER, making the current laws for juviniles stricter would not be a bad option. Really, who could expect a child to stand up to an adult in a criminal environment. I do not believe in execution (the taking of life, this only a temporary satisfaction anyway). If a sentence is changed on appeal, the presiding judge should be required to explain and be held accountable if the law was violated.
    In the case of Eric Floyd. Mr. Floyd should be tried as the juvinile that he is, but, I would not have a problem with his driving privelidges to be revoked forever. Also, Mr. Floyd should be required to do some form of service to the deceased boy’s family for the expected life of their son. This would serve as a constant reminder of what he has done.
    I don’t believe in unreasonably harsh sentences just to appease some anger, but I also don’t believe in unreasonably light ($50 fines for vehicular homocide and leaving the scene of an accident) because the defendent is a juvinile. Who had the bad judgement here, Mr. Floyd or the Judge.

    As for the santa. This is ridiculous. Mrs. Brown should lose, incur heafty legal fees, then be sued by Wal Mart, then be publicly decried by women’s groups for giving them a ‘bad name’.
    Let’s be reasonable here.
    If she can’t make payment to either or both groups, I’m sure that some form of work could be done to work off the debt (floors scrubbed, mopped, and/or vacuumed, toilets cleaned, trash cans emptied. In other words, janitorial work)

  67. This judge made a serious mistake by handing down this judgement. When this young man (yes, I said young MAN) got behind the wheel of that car, he assumed responsibility for proper use of that car. Failure to hold him to this responsibility creates an environment where anyone can avoid responsibility for their actions.

    As for using his age as an excuse for a light sentence, the Judge may as well have turned him loose because it happened on a the thirteenth day of the month. If you wish to offer an excuse, ANY excse will do.

    Speaking of excuses, this young man’s parents have committed a crime far more despicable than their son’s. They raised a child with no respect for human life, no sense of obligation to his fellow man (friend or not), no humanity, and no conscience. Their son’s only thought (IMHO) was how he could avoid the consequences of his negligence. I wonder if his parents instructed him “Admit to nothing, and call us immediately if you get into trouble.”? We must instill in our children the idea that EVERYTHING they do has consequences. Some are good, and some are bad. We should all strive to do those things which have favorable consequences, and avoid those with undesireable consequences.

    We must all RAISE our children, not just allow them to AGE. As parents, we affect our children more that any one or any thing else on earth. We must start this as soon as the child is able to understand the concept of consequences. If we wait until we find a shotgun barrel, or a baggie of pot laying around the house, we have waited too late.

    Good Night, and God Bless.
    – Borrowed from Red Skelton

  68. I would like to propose that
    any one, regardless of age,
    race or creed have to endure what
    their Victim went through…
    That 16 year old should have a job
    as a test crash dummy and his attorney
    should be made to ride along
    with him!!!

  69. Eric Floyd should have been tried for at least vehicular manslaughter! What kind of judge would allow him to walk on the streets? If it had been his child who was killed, would he have been so lenient? One hopes not. I’m sure the essay written for the victim’s parents made up for the loss of their child. NOT!!

  70. Eric Floyd should be in jail, period.
    Each act from the time of the accident on was criminal in every state i can think of.
    The judge who handed down this so called punishment, should be removed from the bench. That man has no business being a judge.

  71. $50 for killing his friend????
    I guess the friend was a drug addict a rapist and a potential cop killer to get such a slap on the wrist.

    There must have beeen lots of people just iching to kill the friend

    …….Anyone know if this is true?

  72. The judge knew all the facts, yet, here you all are making radical judgements based upon your limited knowledge. It’s crap like this that causes such “outrages” here in the U.S. and you hide behind the constitution. Why don’t you try and think about the boy , his family, the other boy’s family and what they might feel. Don’t think the court didn’t consider these things before the judge made the decision.

    But – no — thats right people – keep your blinders on – Keep raging and creating ignorant rhetoric…

  73. “raging” against the machine, or engaging in delusory mutual glad handing, as we are here, are also the hallmarks of ineffectiveness.

    what say we tackle the judge. After all… at this point.. he’s the problem.

    write a real time, on paper, letter to the Tennesean, and cc the district court, outlining not only your outrage, but, your reasoning.

    Follow it up in two weeks with another letter. Then another. Go higher each time you are not answered, and higher yet each time the answer is insufficient.

    I’m crafting my letters now. Are you?

    It may be one of YOUR loved ones’ life you save.

  74. I have read the comments here,and for the most part they all are in agreement,as I do also,except,about the parents being the blame. I used to think that way also, then I became a parent,I have four children,all are good kids,and respect,other,people. However I have a son,who I am having a lot of problems with,and I don’t feel it is my fault.I have raised him the same as the rest,but he is a handfull. At 17 He thinks he is King,and can do whatever he wants.I have not found any answers so far,If any of your readers have any sugestions,other than throwing him to the wolves,please let we know. The point being,this young man made a fatal,irresponsible decition,both in driving the car,and leving the scene. But I can’t blame his parents,100%,After all,as parents,We raise our children,as best we can,but cannot be with them all the time,and when they decide that they are in control of thier own life.We are no longer in control. We pray that we taught them right,and more than that,we hope they listened.

  75. Most all politicians, and all judges are attorneys. Is there any wonder why our nation is going to hell in a handbasket?

  76. Most all politicians, and all judges are attorneys. Is there any wonder why our nation is going to hell in a handbasket?

  77. The kid should have no driving privileges until he’s 25–and pay restitution to the parents. How much? How do you measure the worth of a child’s life?

    As for the Santa story–at the risk of sounding like a sexist, Santa is a man, not a woman. Wal-mart shouldn’t have hired her in the first place. But Walmart is going to screwed big time in the courts over this case.

    God bless you. You do good work.

  78. If he was able to do the adult deed he should be tried as an adult and face the same consequences as most people do. A trial by a jury of his peers would prove interesting!

  79. i can’t believe that all that boy received was a “slap on the wrist”!! that was murder in my book, even if it was unintentional! he shouldn’t have been driving at all! where the heck is his punishment??

  80. Eric Floyd wasn’t punished at all, so what little he “suffered” woun’t be either lenient or excessive. I think he should have been consigned to an actuall prison for a few years.

    The Santa with boobs is becoming typical of the Commonwealth of Kentucky’s Soviet-style Injustice System. The commonwealth is run by a bunch of socialist gangsters.

  81. His sentance should have been……How about no license utill say……80.Crossing guard at the local elementary school for life.And perpetual keeper of the grounds where the dead boy is buried.

  82. Eric Floyd caused an accident until he left the scene,then he committed a felony. A death occured; add manslaughter. He should be in prison.

  83. This kind of thing happens to often. The liberal judges in this country are turning the good old USA into a country full of people who are not responsible for anything they do. It starts with the President of the US on down IT IS SAD.

  84. Eric’s punishment at least should be mandatory community service and a Financial donation weekly to the parents of the friend he killed. The money is not the main thing as it is will never make up for the grieving parents of the friend who was killed. But it is something that will make him think. I’d have him write a check to the family each week for about 25% of his income earned etc. I think spiritual guidence is important as well. If he repeats his behavior ie the speeding tickets I’d revoke his license. If caught driving again he’d go to prison.

  85. In response to the story about the young man who received a slap on the wrist for his part in the “accident” that killed his passenger. Unfortunately, this sort of thing is the rule rather than the exception in many (if not all) parts of the country. Our car culture that worships the automobile, and the culture of speed and alienation that accompanies it, necessarily devalues human life and treats “incidents” like this as “unfortunate accidents” which must be tolerated. I suggest that those who want a more humane and responsible attitude toward transportation check out the website of an organization called Right of Way at http://www.rightofway.org.

  86. Thank you for keeping us informed – this latest Outrage is, unfortunately, symbolic of what our country is becoming since outlawing prayer in school and forbidding discipline of our children. The ultimate disgrace in our country is, of course, the example set by the leader of our country. May God have mercy on us all.

  87. How about completely eliminating age limits for sentancing? If you commit manslaughter, it still results in someone’s death whether you are 6, 16, 46 or 106. Stop protecting minors with age discrimination and punish them for the crimes they commits.

    It is TIME for all of us to stop dwelling on the past and the deterioration of our society. We can continue with the progress of science and technology, we can continue the reproduction of the human race, but we cannot continue to live in peace if we do not have the most fundamental element : harmony. It all begins within each of us.

  88. I hardly believed the story until I went to the link and read
    throught it entirely. This is obviously more than “Luna”
    did or she would have seen that it’s at least based on a
    story printed as fact. As for the punishment, I think the
    real outrage is not the acts of the kid, but of the judge.
    The kid should now be required to perform 2,000 hours
    of community service consisting of driving a car to pick
    up and drop off the youngest members of the judges
    immediate family on their daily rounds. The car and gas
    to be provided by the judge and to be used by the kid as
    he desires whenever he’s not performing his service.

    I think it would have been really interesting to see what
    kind of case would have developed and what punishment
    meted out had the driver not been at fault, but say the
    lawyers proved that the big, bad auto manufacturers had
    made a car with a defective steering mechanism and
    that it was the cause. Any body want to bet that the
    company would have been found innocent and that it
    was just an unfortunate accident caused unintentionally
    by the manufacturer????

    As for the woman who can’t tell the difference in the sex
    of Santa Claus, well, some people are just born ignorant
    and will never change. It’s probably a cheap way for her
    and her lawyer to pick up a few extra bucks. I hope and
    pray that WalMart sticks to it’s guns and is borne out by
    the common sense of a jury. Unfortunately, it will probably
    cost more than it will to make this idiot go away with a
    payoff. This kind of stuff will only stop when trial lawyers
    are held responsible for the defendents fees if they lose
    their cases.

  89. The kid should have his driving privileges suspended for at least 10 years. And be forced to publicly apologize to the family.

  90. Wow. Only $50. I was fined $190 and had my license suspended for 90 days for doing 21 over the speed limit. Maybe i should have just killed somebody and ran off. Well, at least now i know for next time.

  91. Eric Floyd should have been punished as a criminal. If you or I (adults) had fled the scene of an accident in which we caused a death, we would have been punished and charged with vehicular manslaughter. I was a passenger in a car where the driver of that car ran a stop sign and the passenger side was hit by a dump truck. I was injured and am still suffering from my injuries almost 2 years later. I can feel for the parent’s of that boy that died, for I almost died. I also can feel for them in that I have a daughter and if anything happened to her I would have to be put away. Eric got away with something that no ordinary citizen would. He should be in jail, and should not have his license at the present time. The parent’s of the boy who died should appeal the judges decision and if need be take it all the way to the Supreme Court. No wonder the children of today are doing what they are. They know that all they are going to get for their crimes is a slap on the wrist and a small fine……where is this county going to?

  92. That 16 year old boy should lose his license FOREVER! Period! Any IDIOT judge that thinks otherwise, should have his ……..robe removed!

  93. Wanna bet that the judge is a big drinker as well. You know they have to protect their own behinds, ‘cuz one day they may be the one behind the defense table. The kid should have been thrown in jail, just as the man who killed the 27? in the bus accident in Kentucky. And the judge…well, let’s just say, I’m glad he’s not in my area, as I’d have to mount a recall petition on that slob. What careless disregard for justice and for the deceased’s families? The judge should be defrocked!!

  94. That boy should have never gotten away with, the first crime. That judge was out of line, and should be petition.

  95. While agreeing with the majority of your respondents that the vehicular manslaughter was in-no-way properly punished, I must (reluctantly) take exception to the comments attributing this to the probability of the judge being a Clinton appointee. An AltaVista search of “Judge Lonnie Hoover” took me to
    http://www.reviewappeal.com/05101998/rapolitics.html
    “The Review-Appeal” of Wiliamson County, TN –
    Friday, May 8, 1998, Franklin, Tennessee .
    Surprise, surprise! It vindicates my feeling for quite a while that most of the problems we have in this country are directly attributable to “We, The People”, as His Honor Mr. Hoover was ELECTED. Just like Mr. Klinton, and Chuckie “No- Guns” Schumer, and every one of our current crop of ignore-the-constitution politicians. It seems it’s true that “the people get the government they deserve”, and if we want things to change, we have to change our political participation and our voting patterns. Enough is Enough – Vote Libertarian!

  96. I think the little creep should have been tried like an adult, furthermore if the judge wants to let the kid free then let the judge serve the prison time.

  97. None of us have the entire facts of the case, but I honestly
    can’t imagine anything that would convince me this crime’s
    punishment was “justice”. He should have faced the same
    consequences any adult committing the same crime would
    have faced.

    To all those complaining here, don’t just get outraged, do
    something about it! This judge was elected, as was Clinton
    and all of the other leaders partially responsible for making
    society was it is today. With all of the resources available
    to us today, there’s no excuse for not taking a few minutes
    out to research the candidates and vote, in my case
    Libertarian.

  98. That is insane. Why not let this kid rot oin jail. His friends parents have to deal with this fact the rest of thier lives. Yet he gets off. My friend is a cop and this is one of the reasons they hate to arrest juviniles because they get off their charges no matter what they are or did.

  99. We are a nation that trivializes life. We kill babies in their mother’s womb. We make it convenient for the elderly or infirm to get out of our way (OR-physician assisted suicide). Then we are amazed when children kill with no conscience; God help us (indeed, there alone is our hope!).

  100. Outraged is not the word…aghast, embarrassed, livid…that’s closer.
    In a society that blames others for it’s actions, sadly, this does not
    surprise me. Did the youth learn anything? Of course he did. He
    learned that he can make excuses and get away with anything!
    I think the court was remiss in letting this individual by with a fine.
    Ath the very least, this was a case of vehicular manslaughter.
    It shows a tolerance for irresponsibility that I find disgusting,
    and unfortunately, very prevalent among our youth. When will
    we begin to stand on our own two feet and say “yeah, I screwed
    up.” When will we begin to take responsibility for our own
    acitoins instead of blaming it on age, experience, lack of
    parental guidance, lack of willpower, drinking, drugs, music,
    violence on television…this list grows with each passing
    tragedy. The culprit is lack of responsibility.

  101. i am not saying that what this boy did was right in not calling the police, but if you had just killed your best friend, what would be going through you head??? crazy, crazy thoughts.

  102. The Eric Floyd case just shows me that we need more reasonable car control legislation. If we would just enact more reasonable, restrictive car control no one would ever die from car violence and the world would be a swell place to live.

  103. This story is unbelieveable! Did Eric Floyd get into an accident that ended up killig his friend? Yes. Did Eric Floyd leave the scene of the accident? Yes. Was Eric Floyd even supposed to be driving in the first place? NO!. Why? Because HE DIDN’T HAVE A LICENSE! This is rediculous, there are stiffer fines in most states just for throwing trash out your car window! What’s the message here?…

    Trash is worth more than a human life?

  104. This guy should be tried as an adult for manslaughter, hit & run, driving w/o a license and driving w/o insurance. The people who passed such a weak sentence should be beaten with a rubber hose. Case closed.

  105. This kid gets a $50 fine.

    I want to be sick. Life is not summed up in a easy little
    2000 word paper. Yes he may be punished for his crime by having
    to carry the guilt around for the rest of time. However what
    message does this send out? To be responsible for the most destructive
    act man can do means that I have to save my beer/drug money for one night
    and cram for another night to write a paper.

    Give me a break. I’m late to work and I get a $50 hit. I mess up a project
    and I could be fired. The results of these trivial actions will result in penalties
    much harsher than this pathetic punishement.

  106. Eric’s violations

    1, Driving w/o license

    2. Reckless driving or imprper lasne change or failure to yield or failure to exercise due caution.

    3. Leaving scene of accident (? was there a phone at/near scene ? He called Dad instead of ambulance — did Dad call ambulance to the scene ? what was the elapsed time ?)

    Three movers would cancel or suspend his license or make him uninsurable and bar him from driving for quite some time. Even the most lenient outcome, treating all of this as immature teenage judgment, would require a substantial (for a minumum wage burger flipper) fine and at least a year w/o driving privileges. $50 puts this in the realm of a day working at Burger King, trivializing the poor judgment that cost his friend’s life. $500/violation, payable only from his wages, 60 days community service, 1 year suspension from driving minimum, with suspension continued until the fine is paid and community service performed. Serving his time in his comunity is a lesson to the other young goofs.

  107. Eric’s ‘punishment’ is ridiculous. As for his actions after the accident, panic might be understanable, but anyone with such poor judgement should not be driving in the first place. He should not be allowed to drive for a very long time, at the least. I know I don’t want to be driving on the same road with people such as him.

  108. Of Course !!!

    This young man is a VICTIM !!

    This is the spin that is placed on
    every action that society makes. No one is held accountable for thier
    actions any longer. You can thank the communist lefts in the White House
    and in this country for that.

    In reality the parents shuold have been keeping
    tabs on the boy , but I am sure they were to busy
    working thier 2 or 3 jobs to keep ahead. For the boy,
    he should be taught that driving is a responsibilty and
    he needs to pay the consiquences of his actions. !
    Like working in an ER room or the morgue !!!

  109. hoover is the type of person i want to be my judge when i am found guilty of attempting to overthrow the us govt.
    The Govt would say my plans was to shoot all the @#$#%^% holes in the govt.
    i would get off and free to continued my bad judgement–he’s soooo nuts!–i am so angry to read something like that–i mourn when kids died–all the things they would not be able to do gone! now i wish i could find a school where –God forbid! would have the next shooting–maybe we can be lucky and hoover is a teacher killed.
    the judge is more gulity then the teen!

  110. As far as the boy driving his friends car. It was a tragedy, yes. It was also a very messed up thing for him to run. How many of you speed?
    He shouldn’t be punished for speeding so much as his actions after the accident. His irresponsible actions caused a life to be lost. That deserves punishment.
    He should not be allowed to drive until he is 25. A 2000 word essay is hardly any comfort to the dead boy’s parents. One Million words would not erase the pain that he has caused the dead boy’s parents. Prison would not be the way to go though. All anyone ever learns in prison is to be an even better criminal. The boy is not so much a criminal as he is a deserter and a chickensh*t.
    He should be humiliated in front of all of his peers. He should be made to speak infront of his peers and admit his faults as a human being.

  111. This poor child! Was he scarred emotionally because his mother and grandmother argued in front of him? Did he get a beating for someone elses actions and therefore has a repressed feeling of inadiquacy which caused him to act so irresponsibly? What excuse could the judge use to exhonerate this lad?

    Friends, this is where our court system is going. If you can explain that you were emotionally scarred because your sister stole your ice cream or your brother beat you up with your favorite toy, then you get off with a light sentance.

    It’s high time that the American citizens put a STOP to this foolishness. Lets DEMAND our elected and appointed judges enforce the law as it is written. That goes for all, from the PRESIDENT on dowm!!!!

  112. The sentencing judge should be sentenced to ride with this creep for two hours each day for the next twenty years. Preferably durring rush hour.

  113. Of course his punishment was too lenient. I wouldn’t
    go to the other extreme, though, depending on other cir
    cumstances. He should get some jail time, maybe six
    months, and then be required to spend a year riding with
    ambulance crews to crash scenes.

  114. It is such a shame that life is so expendable according to some!! There should be no excuse in the carelessness resulting in the loss of life, for another human being!
    Where is the justice for the victim’s family??!!

  115. Eric Floyd’s fine was out of proportion with what he did, despite his being 16 years old. Based on the given information, it was an accident, making a charge of vehicular homicide too harsh. In m opinion, a charge of hit and run, with a sentence of a little bit of jail time that doesn’t interfere with his pursuit of a high school diploma, and a substantial amount of time (say two years) would have been much more appropiate.

  116. look at the two cases….the who killed his friend gets a $50 fine,
    but if walmart loses their case against this idiot Sandra Claus,
    they get a $67,000 fine??!!!!!!!! come on people, lets get real
    here! and i can tell ya…if my son sat in santa’s lap and found
    that santa had a boob….she’d gotten more than just a pinch from
    me! i’d probably have decked her a few times! geeeze! what is
    america coming to?????? i’m almost embarrassed to be a
    woman nowadays! i say let the boys be boys and the girls be girls!

  117. At that age the only thing a kid can feel is his or her sexual drive. So I think the most fitting punishment by the courts
    would be to assign the individual to a facility that would
    administer court decreed “genitorture”. That’s right, not mutilation, just torture, and plenty of it.
    Hit them where they will understand it.

    Ed

  118. Come on, this is the country where murderers go free (ie..OJ, nanny from Hell). I am no longer surprised at the injustice that spews forth from the “judicial” system.

  119. Society has no reason to protect individuals who commit criminal acts. Their is nothing wrong with an eye for an eye type of justice. Individuals who kill/sell drugs/rape/anykind of child molestation,endangerment crime, should be giving a public execution. Killing another person is not an accident, hence any person who kills, or is responsible of killing a person should be killed himself. Lawyers and judges who let criminals off of punishment should also be executed in public

  120. Why don’t we cut some holes in the kid and judge’s bodies, rub salt in them, throw them onto a public square and forbid anyone to help them…. put a few ambulances in full view just for the effect….

  121. This kind is guilty of vehicular manslaughter – he killed another human being and then ran away from it. Despite what the judge said about “criminalizing” it, this kid should serve some time at a correctional center to atone for his actions.

    If my child were to be killed in a similar situation, I would take that 2000 word essay and shove right up the judge’s backside.

  122. Are you kidding? Of course, I’m outraged by this type of “judgment” by the court system! And it isn’t the kid’s fault! It is just one more tragic result of the legal system we’ve allowed to evolve in this country. All the hand smacking and the ilk are ridiculed and sneered at by the perpetrators nationwide. To be effective, a system has to be consistent, first of all, just like child discipline. If there is no consistency, there is always the hope that leniency will prevail. Hogwash! There should be no such thing! An eye for an eye…that’s what we need! Let’s get back to basics and call a spade just that. Cop-outs are irresponsibility personified. Blame this, blame that, but never blame the guilty one…oh, no…that might hurt his self esteem! Bull! We need to take a cue or two from countries where crime is extremely low, where the FIRST penalty for theft (for example) is loss of a finger, the SECOND is loss of a hand, and the THIRD is death. NOTHING teaches like example and demonstration! No words, no penances, no restrictions, NOTHING ELSE! And the beautiful thing about examples and demonstrations is that they are graphic and everyone can understand them RIGHT NOW! The point is made, the problem is nipped in the bud, and the guilty one either shapes up or is shipped out post haste! The judge in the instant case should be fired immediately (as should many others on the bench today). Then maybe the judicial system would shape up, too!

  123. Our criminal justice system has been turned upside-down, and Eric Floyd is just one example of thousands. Punishments are far too lenient for some, and far too harsh for others. One man kills his friend and is fined $50. Another commits no offense at all, and is never charged with a crime, and has his property confiscated.

    There is no single source of such problems that we can point at and eliminate. The true origin of all of it is from the people — from us — because it is from us that they originate. Our values, as a people, are out of kilter with justice; and there are too many special interests, conflicting philosophies, and political twistings to the law and the judicial system.

    The government itself is bogged down by the same set of chains, such that little is truly accomplished year after year. What we need is true leadership — someone to arise from the people with the strength to take control and lead us from this madness. The law must be pruned back and unified. The judiciary must be reined in so that they are simply enforcing the law.

    Only then will we receive justice on a more regular basis. Not only in cases such as Eric Floyd’s, but also in cases like Martha’s. The civil law is sick with the same illnesses that plague all other forms of government in this country — a lack of true leadership.

  124. I have read calls for torture, execution, a reinstatement of authoritarian government,an attack on the Communist Left and the some of the most appaling spelling errors I have ever seen. You people are soooooo wierd.

  125. Mr. Floyd evidently had the guts to run from his responsibilities, and knowing those responsibilities he walked away. He should be tried as an adult for some the charges and involuntary man-slaughter. What a friend this kid must have been, put him away for awhile.

  126. When I read a story like this, I can`t help but being nauseous. This young ADULT should have at least been charged with voluntary manslaughter because he obviously passed in a blind curve. To fine him only $50.00 is a slap at not only the deceased`s parents but at the justice system itself. You stated that the suing Santa should ride hom with Floyd well I hope that this stupid judge is in the next oncoming vehicle.

  127. What about his parents? Since he was under age, his parents are still responsible for him. Where is their responsibility in this matter. Why didnt they say “You can’t get your liscense?” And then after he got a ticket, and then another ticket, why didnt they say “Hey, enough is enough.” Children learn from watching their parents. It seems that young Eric learned responsibility from them. And in the mean time what does this say to other teens? “Hey, do what you want, disobey laws (besides President Clinton does) and nothing will happen.” I just wonder who they “paid off” for this. I think we should put Eric Floyd and Ted Kennedy,in a car on a deserted road with lots of bridges, and let the law of “what goes around comes around” come into practice.

  128. As difficult as this may be to grasp and considering most people would prefer to stay in denial, there is no such thing as victim. The physical body is electro-magnetic. Similar thoughts are magnetized to each other for completion and the experience. When one starts being responsible for creating their own reality they are no longer subject to limited societal beliefs and consciousness.

  129. To lenient you ask? Hell yes!!! This kid kills his best friend in an accident and does not even have the nerve to try and help. Letting someone sit and die is in my opinion just as bad as actually killing someone. This young criminal should be charged with vehicular homicide. I am sure the parents of his friend have forgotten all about the whole incident after recieving that heart-warming essay. What a joke the American Justice System is.

  130. that really makes me angry that you say eric was a friend of the boy he killed. that was not a friend, but an enemy. i would not leave my friend, nor my worst enemy in a car to die. that stupid boy should be in jail right now, awaiting the death penalty. i had to pay $124.25 once for going 35 mph in a 20 mph zone, yet eric gets to murder someone and only has to pay 50 smackers and write ‘im sorry i killed your son’ 5000 times on the chalkboard?? wtf is wrong with our country!!!!!

  131. I cannot believe this guy was able to get a license before the age of 100. Secondly, hasn’t anyone from that state heard of vehiclular homicide.

  132. Eric should have been tried for killing his friend, plus all of the traffic offenses. That he got away with all of his crimes outrages me. Just because he is young does not mean that he shouldn’t be accountable for his crimes. Our justice system needs to be revamped to keep in touch with today’s crimes. It is long past time for criminal’s to hide behind their age to keep from having to pay for their crimes.

  133. What if Eric Floyd was your son? Would you all be so quick to torture, mutilate and condemn? Who among us is a saint? However, especially in the light of Eric’s penchant for driving recklessly in spite of what occurred, he should not be allowed behind the wheel of a car for quite some time. A $50.00 fine does seem to add insult to injury. A healthy dose of community service would be in order. But no, I see this crowd wants blood. No wonder Eric was scared. Again I ask you, what if Eric was your son?

  134. You are right! The turmoil reserved for a grieving parent is most difficult…I know because I, too, lost my child to a wreckless driver. On June 27, 1999, my 28 year old daughter went to the grocery store to pick up a few items. She never returned home. A 19 year old girl crossed the center line and hit my daughter’s car headlight to headlight which severed her spinal chord at the base of the skull—killing her instantly. It was raining and the 19 year old was “traveling too fast for conditions.” The 19 year old had three other passengers in her car who were fine…and hardly remorseful. Unforturnately, the 19 year old was 4-1/2 months pregnant and she lost the baby. The girl was unmarried and living with the baby’s father’s mother..the father was in jail. The car belonged to the baby’s father’s mother…who had only a MINIMUM amount of insurance ($15,000 total for the accident). The driver of the car, (the 19 year old girl), will very possibly walk away with only a suspended license (for a year). Meanwhile, my daughter’s husband and three children…ages 2, 5 and 9…have to go through each day, and the rest of their lives, without their wife and mother…who was totally devoted to her children. Some may say that the 19 year old lost a child too, however, we’re not even sure she wanted to be pregnant. From the information we have been given, she is 19, unmarried, white, working at a Waffle House, estranged from her family, and obviously has very little means of support for herself or the baby. The father is in jail, black, unemployed and living with his mother. The 19 year old will more than likely receive only a “slap on the hand,” too. Am I outraged…you bet!!

  135. Absolutely NOT! Space is a precious commodity around here. Who wants to share it with a genetic throw back like him? Once is one time too many. If he wants to be a rapist then he needs to know there are occupational hazards.

  136. Some other impossible dreams:

    – Why is it that when democrats all vote together, they’re “united”, but when republicans all vote together, they’re “partisian” and “vote in lockstep”.

  137. Let’s not become Larry Flynt when it comes to MLK. The message was more important than the messenger. The Libs smear every conservative who dares to speak against Clintonism. Let’s not smear MLK just because we can.

  138. I thought your essay was right on target. Funny, it seems that the biggest abuser’s of minorities are the people they achieve political power by being advocates and maintain that power by making sure that the minorities never attain any independence and dignity.

  139. When Kennedy was killed, I felt bad but when I heard of Martin Luther King’s death I wept. He worked so much harder for what he believed in than any person who wins the presidency, especially the one who has corrupted the office of the presidency today.
    Had Martin Luther King lived, I wish he could have had the opportunity of sitting in the White House for I don’t believe he would have destroyed the meaning of “leader of our nation.”

  140. In these “politically correct” times that we live in, I’ll say this
    much for you: you got balls! I think the message here
    relates more to our “distorted” American values, than
    the good Dr./Rev. Suggested “soundtrack” for this
    ‘Outrage’: “Cult of Personality” – In Living Color. But be
    mindful of Paul Simon’s message: “A man hears what he
    wants to hear and disregards the rest.” (“The Boxer”)
    [Yes, I am a songwriter enjoying my holiday weekend!]

  141. I did not sign up to recieve this racist claptrap. In the future please verify subscriptions as authentic be fore spamming.

  142. I have had the same thoughts and feelings that you
    expressed so well in your “Outrage” of 1/15/99 although
    I didn’t know how to put them on paper.
    I thank you very much for doing it for me.

    Sincerely,

    Neal Laur

  143. You don’t have to honor
    Martin Luther King if you don’t
    want to, but to suggest (a)that
    he was “a civil rights leader”
    and not one of the most important
    people in the 20th Century; and (b)
    that you shouldn’t be branded a
    “racist” for so downgrading him…well,
    that’s two suggestions too many.

    Perhaps you’re not a racist.
    Perhaps you just don’t know what
    you’re talking about.

    It happens.

  144. ” We Have A Dream”
    Well done….well done!
    I want to believe that in the heart of most Americans,lay a small seed of desire & drive….the potential to be the people we want to be,….to make America truely Great! And I DO see this every day, in one individual at a time….but something happens to the individual goodness when we become a collective. Yes, we ralley during times of war (if it’s popular), are country comes to a standstill when a small child falls down a well…But we also watched entire neighborhoods being burned,…people savagely beaten, looting on an unprecidented scale…..and why…..black rage? I doubt it!
    I was in Washington & heard Dr. King speak. He spoke of honor, & dignity, he encouraged self respect, & respect for others…not retaliation & destruction!
    Celebrating the life of Dr. King is appropriate. We have always had are white heros….right or wrong. The black children need to know that people who look like them can be heros as well.
    However,I feel the MLK holiday should be expanded & possibly renamed, to enclude the countless people, black & white who fought for civil rights. The hundreds who marched,…many of whom were beaten, many who died….to secure the most basic of human rights….freedom!
    In Mississippi I saw black courage…black dignity…even black anger,…never once did I see the shamful destruction of black rage.

  145. I’m sick and tired of the “political correctness” that says you cannot say anything against a minority without being a racist.
    Let me ask you this, what kind of outrage do you think there would be if there was a “Miss White America” contest? Plenty! Yet, there is a Miss Black America contest – and that’s not racist?
    What kind of outrage do you think there would be if there was a “United White College Fund?” Plenty! Yet there is a “United Negro College Fund.” – and that’s not racist?
    Pro sports has quotas on hiring minorities – yet look at the NBA and the NFL. Do you ever hear any outrage against why there are not more whites? Maybe we should set some quotas or something (read the obvious sarcasm.)
    The list goes on.
    Who’s racist? I certainly am not – some of my best friends are minorities, but no one seems to have the balls to call things as they are.
    So here we are, honoring the life of one man who was special because of the color of his skin. Ever read his rhetoric? He may have preached peace, but he knew damn well that his words would ignite violence and hatred. No? Just look at the world today. Anyone who thinks there has been (or ever will be) progress in regards to race relations is seriously deluded.
    I dream of a day with no quotas – where the best qualified for the job GETS the job and KEEPS the job.
    I dream of a day where minorities wake up and realize what the word “minority” really means: it means you are in the MINORITY….if you represent 14% of the population don’t go demanding 50% of the jobs. OK…demand it if you want, but don’t expect it.
    And if you don’t like being a minority, then move back to your native country where you can enjoy all the “majority” benefits.
    I wouldn’t move to China and expect to be on an even keel with the rest of the people. I’d be in the minority and realize it and deal with it – or I’d move somewhere else.

    I expect some of the bleeding heart liberals to respond in usual fashion to this letter – you know – the kind that have had their heads rammed so far up their backsides by “political correctness” it makes you want to puke.
    This country is full of stupid people. Clinton becoming president proves it. Anyone who can’t see through that piece of garbage ten miles aways is blind. He is without a doubt the worst, most disgraceful president we’ve ever had in the history of this country.
    Some example. Any ordinary citizen who lied to a grand jury numerous times would not have to worry about losing their job – because they would be in jail. He’s lucky he’s only being considered to be removed from office. By all rights he should be in jail.

    Enough rambling. You liberals boil my blood every time you open your mouths – I hope I’ve got yours boiling for a change. so you can take your Martin Luther King day and “shove it where the sun don’t shine.”
    And if you don’t like the tone of my letter maybe you should look again at the title of this section:
    RAGE BACK!

  146. MLK a national holiday?
    How stupid can we be. Blacks
    need some heros other than ballplayers so was MLK a hero?
    Don’t think so, nor do the people believe so.

    Well! It is nice to know that SOME people still have a spine in America today. Most people refuse to learn ANYTHING about the REAL MLK. He was a known communist, whore-monger and plagiarist, and the night before he was killed, he had sex with two women (hookers?) and raped a third in his hotel room. And this ‘non-violent’ bullcrap… the marchers OFTEN rioted and looted stores, where were the cameras then? (WATTS section, in Calif, 1964) Stormfront.org has a nice expose’ on MLK, I suggest reading the book “The Beast as Saint”.

    This holiday MUST be stopped!

  147. It is a truly a shame that there is so much obvious hate toward MLK. The focus needs to be on his message not on him. It’s not like the man asked for a holiday you know. His dream was simple he wanted racial equality for all races based on their character NOT their skin color. The demise of our country has been all the focus and on this so-called “political correctness”. Our country should disband this affirmative action b****it and hire the canidate most intellectually qualified for the job not keep a company culturally balanced. Is life culturally balanced? what kind of government crap is that anyway? Remember the consitution: “….that all men are created equal and are endowed by our creator with certain inalienable rights and that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness” Forget this promotion of the races let us all strive for our own personal betterment and the jobs for those who are truly qualified!

    MLK day should be set in history as BLACK MONDAY as it is a sad day we worship a race that has made the majority the minority the qualified un hireable becouse the are white and the company must hire the “minority” to
    remain a leagal company!

  148. I refuse to be a part of a list that is too
    blind to see why we celebrate Martin Luther King Jr.’s Birthday.
    I will be getting off this list A.S.A.P.
    If any of you out there want to be enlightened about
    Martin Luther King Jr., or any other civil rights leader, please feel
    free to email me at shower_of_roses@hotmail.com and I’ll point you in the right direction.

  149. I have never understood MLK day. I find it to be more of
    a “Pacification Day” In 1960 I was a young lad stationed
    in Biloxi Miss.. I recall a day when MLK and his group were
    going to take over the white beaches. I remember some of
    the other people I was stationed with getting ripped open
    by bicycle chains. We weren’t part of the politics of the
    area or anything. A lot of people were hurt that day. Ever
    since that time, when I heard how non-violent Martin Luther King
    was I never believed his claim for peace or the political rhetoric
    that followed him after that.

  150. MLK? This Monday, Jan 18, I will celebrate Robert E. Lee
    Day. Robert E. Lee was born on Jan. 19. Truely he was
    a great leader and a man of honor, something in short supply
    today.

    So, Celebrate Robert E. Lee Day!

    Sincerely,
    Kirt Bell

  151. We celebrate the day when only one man died; yet, we often shun the day honoring those many brave patriots who have given their lives so that this great can still provide the freedoms that we enjoy.

  152. I believe that you have misinterpreted the meaning of MLK day.
    He is not a legend because of his early death he is a legend because
    of his works and calls for peace in the face of conflict and
    his work for equality in a time dangerous to do so as was seen by his
    when he was assassinated. He is not a great man because he died young he
    is a great man because he did great things.

  153. MLK day is another Cancer that’s digging away at the fiber of this country.
    Blacks don’t have “roots” so they invent them. They will NEVER admit that
    their OWN people sold them to slave traders. NO BLACK WAS run down
    and captured and brought to this country. I wish the SOB’s that brought them
    over here are rotting in HELL! Why don’t blacks that worship everything African
    go BACK!!! Or at least help their own over there. No, they don’t want to go back
    they want to turn this country into another South Africa and let this country die
    like So. Africa is doung….now I’ve said it! God help this country..PLEASE!!!

  154. To lump together America’s two greatest presidents into one “Presidents Day” while alloting a separate holiday for that lying plagurizer is the epitomy of stupidity bowing to political correctness. Your “I have a dream…” was right on!

    Bless you! Your essay said
    what so many(a majority)
    of us would like to say but
    cannot because it is so
    politically incorrect that we
    hesitate to say what we

  155. Blacks make me sick in thinking MLK was murdered.
    He could do no more alive because the world was
    beginning to see him as he was…a Pedophile (12 yr olds)
    a communist and a instigator of racial riots. YET they say
    he was “non-violent”…HOGWASH…white people are not
    as stupid as you think. The hate that young blacks, who have
    had nothing but the best of this society and spit in our faces,
    are going to cause BAD times for this country. And, do you
    know who will suffer most?.. Blacks.

  156. MLK was not killed by J.E.Ray and you people know it!!
    MLK was made a martyr by his own people.
    Celegrate MLK day God is gonna get us and you for even
    thinking of it!

    People in the south warned the liberal do gooders that this
    country would be like it is today if the Civil Rights Bill was ever
    passed and it has come to pass!! No one listens anymore.

  157. I wasn’t a racist until 1964. Then a cancer began to grow in this
    great country of ours. I am sorry that I turned out this way but it has
    forced on me. MLK day? NO WAY!

  158. I belive that Nlk did alot for the blackman in the united states and the whole world for that matter. We as a nation should try and come together black white red and yellow, for we all know that this great nation is going down hill fast. We need to put the prayer back in school along with the National Anthem and tell those who dont wish to be involved to please sit quitely while we have a chance to say our peice before the c.l.u. jumps down are throats, saying that it is wrong for the people who have a dream, and those who belive in god “everone” that its not aloud. This nation has come along way,lets finish the job.

  159. King was without doubt one of the greatest men of this century.His dreams were of a society where people were judged by who and what they were..not the colour of their skin.He fought against ignorance and bigotry..against the beliefe that some lives were disposable whilst others were not…his death at the hands of an assassin was a tragedy in every sense of the word..but his voice was not silenced,his works never forgotten,his legacy remains forever.
    Martin Luther King Day should be one of reflection..of searching the conscience..his voice took the entrenched hatred and ignorance of a nation..and declared what we are now only just beginning to realise..that we are ONE PEOPLE..ONE RACE..ONE WORLD…human.
    I will remember him.,with honour,and with respect.

  160. I am proud that you have the guts to tell the truth about Martin Luther King. He reeked of so much moral hipocrisy he would make Clinton look like saintly in comparison. True story: in 1964 at a hotel in oslo Norway a maid was being chased around by a naked black man. The maid caught him in bed with another man and he was afraid it might ruin his chances of winning the nobel peace prize. It was “Dr.”King. He also had ties to the Communist party coming out the kazoo.

  161. Interesting. Speaking as a person who was quota’d back into the military in 1971 after filling an “emergency employment act” job in the Milwaukee Police Department Detective Clerical, I have some very strong feelings about all this. I respect the things that MLK said he stood for… judge a man by the content of his character not the color of his skin. I was brought up to do just that. I have found that very seldom, either back in 1971 at the Milwaukee P.D., or later in the military, was I judged by the content of my character. Quite often that all was sacrificed on the alter of political correctness. If anyone really believes that what MLK preached is what is happening, they are quite uninformed, or are just plain disingenuous. The blacks today seem to think that they are owed something by people who never did them harm, and that they, and their race are much better than all the other races, particularly the white one. I don’t understand that, but I have seen black parents teaching that very thing to their children. The MLK holiday seems to be just another extension of that teaching. The man was not a hero to an entire nation. I’m sorry. I did not enjoy affirmative action as practiced against me and I don’t understand how that makes the man a hero. When that sort of thing was done for whites and against blacks, it was properly referred to as racism and bigotry. Now that it is being practiced by the blacks against all and sundry, it is racial unity and a real good thing. Go figure.

  162. MLK Day is good in concept but bad in naming. MLK was a good leader who continued something which had been in the making for a long time; that is, freedom and equality. And there were those who carried on the fight after his death. There should not be one holiday named after one man. Even Columbus Day should be renamed. Perhaps MLK Day would be better named as Freedom Day or Equlity Day, not just a day that represents one race and one man.

  163. I have always opposed the out
    and out idolitry involved and
    believe that Dr. King would be
    embarrassed and ashamed.

  164. I worry about not having any days left in the year when we will get mail. Think about it. We don’t get it on Sunday, and we don’t get it on national holidays. If we continue to declare national holidays, people who have non-government jobs are going to be working all year to pay wages for all people who do have government jobs, and never have to work because day will be a holiday if the world survives long enough. Maybe we should declare that the nation be allotted no more than seven holidays per year, and let people decide who or what they wish to honor on those days. I usually have to work on all the holidays anyway, so there.

  165. I believe that Dr. MLK was a man who was not afraid to stand up for what he believed, be it political or not. He helped put into motion the “rage” of his people that would end the oppression and discrimination. Their “rage” enabled them to be treated as human, not black and inferior. Personally, that’s what MLK day means to me. It’s a needed reminder that we are all of one race…the human race. Though our backgrounds and cultures are very different, we all need the same air, water, and shelter to survive. We all bleed with the same color blood. We all rely on each other to survive in this hell we call society. Unfortunately, there are still many that refuse to believe that they do in fact rely on other people, regardless of color, for the preservation of their very lifestyle. I would like to see the day that we are all treated as equals and not as color groups. I have a dream that one day people will no longer fear what is different, and will learn to embrace it.

  166. It would seem that the only people responding to the MLK essay are ,left-wing ,liberals or Skin-Heads! My dream would be that people in this nation ,would stop flapping their lips,about who they hate and read the founding documents,and learn how we can change the tide of this once great country back to what the founders wanted!Don,t worry Y2K will shake the very foundations of the nation and the weak shall fall to the wayside and the traidtors will pay for their folly!

  167. Wow! Great! Couldn’t have said it better in re to this yearly homage to — what? I worked in Government Documents when this fiasco was being considered, and I remember a hearing coming in that said MLK’s records couldn’t be opened for 50 years (seems some delinquent, unAmerican Senator wanted to check the record before handing out the large largess!)
    Ah well, folks, life ain’t fair!! Yeah, I’ve noticed the inequity of time there, too: lumping all the rest of the Presidents into their one day. Hey, maybe we better give thanks they still have that!
    Love your comments!

  168. Picky, picky, picky. So MLK was a Commie, an adulterer, etc. Black Amercia deserves a holiday to honor a black man. MLK is not a bad chocie, all things coonsdiered. Had he lived, would have have supported affiamrive action? One can argue that he would not have. And had he lived we would all jhave been spared jessejackson.

  169. In my area, we’ve had so much snow that kids haven’t been to school since before Christmas. They now have to go on days they would normally have off…except MLK day. They don’t go that day. Presidents day they’ll be in school, though. If it were the other way around, what would certain groups be saying about the school board?

  170. No, I am not outraged by the current outrage; I am perfectly in agreement! Though there is no author given credit, the person who wrote the tribute deserves recognition and thanks.

  171. Good, bad, or indifferent: If he were alive today, would MLK want the children out of school? Or people away from their jobs? Celebrate if you want, but don’t make the rest of the nation suffer by taking the day off.

  172. MLK Day,

    I personally do not celebrate MLK Day nor do I intend to do so.
    I believe that King’s work toward civil rights for blacks was
    a worthy and correct cause. I did not like much of his political
    stands though. He had a very defininet socialist bend that I
    could never hold a something to celebrate. <P>

    His womanizing was something I could not stomach either.
    I do not beleive that a married man’s prowess for hopping
    into one bed after another is something that should be swept
    under the rug in order to lionize his public stands. Neither
    do I think that a married man, who is a public figure, whether
    he is a man of the cloth or a politician elected to any office,
    should be allowed to wallow in the mire of sexual infidelity
    and be held with the public’s high esteem.<P>

    When Arizona (the state in which I reside) finally caved in
    to the PC nonesense of honoring MLK Day I was extremely
    angry with our so called political leaders. This holiday was
    accepted by these cowards because of political pressure
    by Washington, the NFL, and other outside organizations
    which should have kept their noses out of our business. The
    thing which made all this even worse was that MLK came in
    as a state holiday at the expense of Christipher Columbus.
    Personally I think Columbus had a greater, more profound
    on this country than did MLK and I will always think so, even
    if that offends the politically correct.<P>

    Therefore, I will continue the practice of ignoring MLK Day
    as a holiday. I have better and more productive things to do
    with my life than up lift or celebrate someone who could not
    keep his zipper up or someone who wanted to take from
    those who produce and give it to those who will not produce.

  173. Here, Here. I’m glad someone else has seen the absurdity
    of the MLK holiday.

    I’m sure if King was alive today, he would blanch at the way
    his dream has been twisted into a career by civil rights whores
    like Jesse Jackson and Coretta Scott King.

    And I’m sure a man like Dr. King would have never wanted
    to have a national holiday named after him.

    Keep up the good work.

  174. You eloquently stated my exact thoughts on the “holiday” Cowards and racial arsonists rule our federal and state governments. Maxime Waters the psychotic representitive from California is a good example of how this country is becoming a cesspool. Kudos to you and your efforts

    SO NOW OUTRAGE HAS RACIST WRITERS I’M VERY SUPRISE AND DISAPPOINTED. ANY BLACK WRITERS @ OUTRAGE? SAD DAY ON PLANET EARTH BOYS. KEEP UP THIS GREAT PUBLISHING!!!!!

  175. HEY, WAIT A MINUTE! – I’M A CIVIL SERVANT, THE MORE HOLIDAYS WE COME UP WITH THE MORE DAYS I GET TO TAKE OFF!!!
    HOORAY FOR MLK DAY!!!!!!!!

  176. Actually, I don’t mind the holiday because of the 26 miles that I must drive to work
    through school zones and compete with hoardes of state employees.

    Since tomorrow is a state holiday, my drive to work should be easy and swift.

    I love The Outrage, really I do, but this time you have pushed a few of my buttons I guess…I think you’re missing the point of a holiday celebrating Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., a flawed man to be sure, but who among us is not? I am a Libertarian, so I usually agree with what you have to say. I’m not in favor of SPECIAL rights for anyone, however I am most definately in favor of EQUAL rights for everyone. That’s what Dr. King was trying to accomplish in my eyes, that is the challenge he left behind for all of us to work on. Question his character all you will, if it pleases you, delve into his personal life and find all the skeltons you wish…MLK Day is a symbolic day, honoring the spirit of diversity and peace amongst all people. I see nothing wrong with having a day off from the daily grind to reflect upon those things, do you? In fact, judging from your own website, we need it more than ever. There is far too much hate and pain in this world, in our country and in our hearts…to remember a great speaker and leader like Martin Luther King is a good way to begin at least entertaining the thought of healing the hurt…wouldn’t you say? Keep up the good work! Peace, Greg.

  177. I am indeed outraged that people like yourself are so quick to believe that Dr King slept around
    and broke all the commandments. How convenient to wait until someone is dead before accusing
    him of everything imagineable. I wonder does President Kennedy now become just another scum bucket in the eyes
    of white people, just because he supposedly had sex with other than his wife a9and don’t forget about presidents before him)
    but no matter what some people do, their place is held in history by what events that they set in motion and not by their private life.

  178. Many of those responding to this
    address should be ashamed of the
    evidence of your lack of education.
    Please use a spell check or be more
    careful. Many of you give the
    impression of being fanatics or
    skinhead types.

  179. I think this is awsome! I thought
    I was the only one who felt
    this way. We are a whit family
    with a black son and I want him
    to succeed for his character and
    intellegence, not his skin color.
    thanks so much for this terrific
    piece!

  180. Congratulations on publishing what should be obvious. The opportunists who have used his tragic death to further their own politicl ambitions have negated any real contributions he may have made towards integrating our society.

    I only can hope that the agents of political correctness don’t put out a contract on you for daring to tell the truth

  181. I’m still outraged that a Federal Holiday is given to a man who neither held significant office nor performed for the general betterment of all the Nation. I am appalled to hear politicians say that MLK Day is good for the Nation because the blacks needed a hero. What’s wrong with Dr. Ralph Bunche, G.W. Carver, Joe Louis, Michael Jordan, or any number of other outstanding black men who didn’t make a career of maintaining unofficial harems all over the country. My first notice of Dr. MLK was a photo of him, in Jet Magazine, showing him entering the emergency room of a Detroit hospital with a screwdriver sticking out of his chest, inserted there by a jealous husband who caught him with his wife. This was years before he achieved general civil rights fame, and was published as negative comment on “Reverends” who misbehave. Hey: Irish Senior Citizens need a hero — why not give ME a National Holiday?

  182. You are right on the Money!
    This message needs to be out there 365 days a YEAR!! Please
    DO that!
    Ruth in Atlanta

    I think the only Federal Holidays should be New Years Day, July 4, and Thansgiving Day.

  183. Although you articulate your dream well, and the dream is a profound message, I think you miss the point. We do not celebrate the Presidents or any particular hero because they were perfect persons. All ideals come to less than their potential because they are imperfect humans. A great gift is no less a gift because it was given by a seriously flawed human being. The solders who sacrificed their lives for all of us were not perfect persons. But you knew that. We celebrate them because of what they sacrificed for us, what they gave to us. It’s the least we can do. We should celebrate president’s, solders and all others who dedicated their lives to making ours better. I don’t think you are necessarily racist in your views. It’s probably more accurate to say you haven’t thought it through. THe MLK gift to all of us is not diminished by the flaws in his character. It is no less lasting than the sacrifice made by a solder buried in Arlington. If you want to make those kind of comparisons, you should apply the same standards.

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  184. I see nothing wrong with the black people of this country having one of their own honored with a federal holiday. And why bring up the fact that Dr. King was not a perfect person, without sin. Were the presidents that are honored on President’s Day all perfect people? Hah! The only perfect human who ever lived died on the cross to save us all. I have been proud to march in a MLK parade with my children even though I am a white person. I don’t feel like I have to every year or anything but I think people should realize that this is the planet we are living on and very few of us are getting off of it so we should strive to get along instead of picking on individual races or people.

  185. I have a dream when justice is not a financial handout. I have a dream of the day when racial justice doesn’t mean racial quotas. I have a dream when those of differing races and culture can co-exist in harmony while celebrating their differences.
    I dream of a day when racial harmony doesn’t mean the subjugation of one race to pay back another.

    I HAVE A DREAM!

  186. I appologize for not attending our local parade in honnor of martin luther king
    I still cant figure out what he did to have National holiday.
    I dont think its fair to all the real heros
    of our nation,who gave there lives for us….I dont know about you but I cry when the Star
    Spangled Banner is Played….
    I dont get that same feeling with Mr King
    maybe they should of had a James Earl Ray day

  187. Do not the Black people of this country realize the
    damage being raught by such as their insistance of this
    observance? Are they all so ignorant and starved for
    attention that they truly believe the gentleman is indeed
    worthy of such an honor? If they could but “see” beyond
    their craze, the true perspective of a national holiday would become
    evident. If we could but erase color, all would suddenly come
    into focus. A memorable man… Yes. Worthy of a national
    holiday… No.

  188. You Have to give King some credit. He took an era that was headed for great potential violence, and headed it off. But there is a larger problem here: Black folks don’t need a leader anymore. Look at the embarrassing examples they have. Now I admit: many black people say these self proclaimed leaders are no leaders at all and speak for no one, but they still have huge followings. Jesse Jackson (hey Jesse- plan to give a sermon on racial love in NYC- the city which you dubbed “Heimy town?) is an excelent example of a racist, and a dullard. Al Sharpton hung on to the bogus tiwana brawly suit which was such a farce it got thrown out of court, and then Sharpton was successfully sued for defemation. These two hop in front of any camera they can find, and spread racial division so they can cash in on it- they are professional exploiters of the victimization that they create. Then there are people like Marrion Barry, who after some crack and hookers sent him to the pokey, was reelected. Now true, white folks did reelect Ted Kenedy (I think Massechussets even awarded him some trophy for best lap on chappequidic) and Everyone reelected clinton- but after being on videotape smoking crack with hookers?And then There is farrekahn- who basically has called for the extermination of everyone but black males- he is the black version of the KKK.
    The problem is these leaders spend too much time trying to procure money from the rest of us for public housing and trying to up quotas- things that will only keep blacks behind, and not enough time cleaning up crack houses. If inner citys are slums, is it my fault? Do I allow crackheads to dance about in my neighborhood? Inner citys suck because noone there will feel any ownership or sense of responsibility. These leaders need to preach against ebonics and for responsibility. Clarence Thomas was a kid with a tough life, and no parents. What did he do? Crack, or blame someone wlse? No. He learned. Did Collin Powell join a gang in harlem where he grew up? No. He joined the Army. These are the people who should be reveared, and instead, too many revile them and call the Uncle Toms. I dream of an America where everyone takes responsibility for their lives and pulls their own weight instead of talking another language and blaming others who’s skin has less melenin in it for their problems. Many in the black community are growing to understand this, but too many dont. Riots over the OJ Trial? Riots over the rodney King deal which caused a looting spree (In a predominently blackcommunity I might add) these sort of things are not good, and whoever is whipping folks up in to this ugly rage whereby they feel the need to kill some innocent stranger all because some other stranger beat up on another stranger who was on crack needs to stop.

  189. Martin Luther King Jr was a great American. If anything he should have his on Holiday to remind all people what a true leader is like. To remind people that Farakahn should not be the standard.

    I truly believe that MLK deserves a holiday, as do past presidents and veterans. But, I think that the fact remains that many so-called African-American leaders do use racism as a means to increase their own power.

    I honestly believe that if liberals and left wingers stopped giving the time of day and press to the actual few bigots on the right, then I think that the number of racists would shrink; however this shall never be. Read some of the comments in this rage. And you will see the sheer number of people who acknowledge white racism. I must say this because a liberal will never admit that a minority member is racist.
    This should be stopped.

  190. Very good points by the outrage staff and I could not have put it better myself. However “mel” I am not a right wing nut. I have a dream that those on the left will get a brain and have an honest debate where there are no epithets thrown at conservatives due to our disagreement on some issues.

  191. As a white man, I am willing to confront and accept the concept that many of America’s white heroes had feet of clay and made mistakes. Sometimes big mistakes.

    Yet when a black man released a book detailing many of the mistakes Martin Luther King made, and showed the world that he had feet of clay, black leaders condemned him and called for his ostracization by the black community. Why must he be deified? Why can the black community not see him with his feet of clay and still respect him for the great work he accomplished?

    As far as a holiday goes, are there not many black persons in history that would be more worthy of such an honor?

    Dr. Martin L. King was a man that stood in your faces and demanded justice after 400 hundred years of injustice. Maybe that’s why you ALL want to forget! This day is just a reminder that MUCH WORK is still needed. Just like we will not stop celebrating Chirst’s birth until he comes gain. And we will not stop celebrating Dr. King’s birthday until justice comes to ALL of God’s Children!

  192. I had a thought today while driving home. This really has nothing to do with MLK Day but rather just a random thought and seems to fit with events. The problem and embarrassement we have with our country is that we put too much emphasis on celebrity and notority and not enough on the deeds “well done”. Look at the mess and embarassement we’re in now!

  193. I suspect that you (the editor of Outrage) are either very young or a right-winger. At the age of 55 and an unabashed liberal, I have no trouble honoring Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Yes, he was not perfect. No human is perfect. What he did and what he stood for is something that had not happened before – civil rights for people of all races, not just his rac e, and a peaceful method to achieving those rights. I do not feel that you understand what he did – either because you were not around when he was marching and working for the cause of civil rights or that you are so right-wing you truly do not understand what it was like to be a black person in the 1060’s and earlier. I did a little cibil rights work – enough to realize what the barriers were for black people and for people of my faith (Judaism) and for women. For example I still remember seeing help wanted ads for men only and women only and seeing restrictions on jobs that called for Christians only. King not only changed the country for blacks; his influence helped eradicate prejudice against other groups as well. Besides the suspeicion that you are either young or right-wing, I suspect that you are white and male – and have never had to deal with minority prejudice yourself so that you do not know what it feels like. Even though I am white, I worshipped King, not because I thought he was operfect but b ecause of what he achieved in his role as a civil rights leader. I received your missive via a friend of ours with whom I frequently have political disagreements. I would say to both our friend and to you, read the book Black Like Me by Griffin. Read the book Gentlemen’s Agreement. Do some research about what it feels like to experience discrimination. Do i believe in affirmative action. No, I do not – but at the same time, I do not believe that white males should always be privileged!

  194. y would u bother makind a site that is full of rubish i came hear and i didnt mean to if i was you i would get a life instead of making pansy ass sites like this one

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  196. I have to do a report on cibil rights and how my life would be different.but, i don’t know what exactly happened between 1948 and 1969.

  197. Loved the Outrage! We both read it, and were surprised that we had
    said nearly the same thing just a few hours earlier.

    I’ve always had to stand back and say WHAT THE?? When I know that
    black people have fought for the right to be included, and now they want to be
    separate. I don’t get it.

    I was raised by two parents that taught us that we are all children of God, no matter
    what race or creed. I am 52 years old, and never knew what RACISM was
    until I worked in a hospital, and I was the minority, and I am white. The RACISM that was
    directed at the white nurses by the blacks was eye-opening! We were called “honkies” and “crackers”
    and laughed at about the food we ate. If the white nurses expressed interest in
    anything the black nurses had/wore/did etc., we were told
    “It’s a black thing, and you can’t do it/belong to it/wear it/say it.” WHAT THE?

    Thank you for the great column.
    As the black people say……………….

    YOU GO….GIRL…..MAN…….whatever……

    Oh, whoops I’m sorry, I’m not supposed to say that…”it’s a black thing.”

  198. I love Martin Luther King day. Hey, what can I say I’m a fed govt employee and it’s a free day off!!!

  199. ON COURAGE

    how much courage do you think it takes to sit in relative comfort at the computer in your home or office and issue a malicious diatribe against a slain man?

    how much courage do you think it takes to take to assemble the allegations, truths, half-truths, foibles, imperfections, inconsistencies, dirty laundry, and dishonorable acts about said individual and hold them up before the light for us — sitting in relative comfort in front of our computers … 30 years later — to cast judgment upon?

    how much courage do you think it takes to have a spirited discussion about this slain individual in a forum in which, although our political opinions may differ, we are alike enough — educationally, socioeconomically, etc., — to all be afforded the luxury to 1) own or have access to a computer, 2) have the time to debate the merits of the slain man’s character and the pros and cons of honoring his memory?

    how much courage do you think it takes to be a member of a marginalized, ostracized group — a black man — in 1940s-1960s America helping to spearhead a campaign against discrimination so that I may enjoy, among a myriad of other luxuries, to be able to 30 years later openly, and without fear, debate the significance of his contributions with people of other races (read: white), some of whom are more powerful, influential and possibly better educated than I?

    I hope that one day if I’m called upon to summon all my inner strength and fight for a cause I believe in, a cause that is just, that all my personal flaws won’t be fodder for a group of people 30-40 years down the road to malign my character. MLK was not a saint, by anyone’s definition, and he should not be deified …. but without reservation I celebrate his contribution, and the contributions of all those flawed, and yes, courageous people who fought with him. Without question, my life today is better for his courage. Guess what? Yours is, too.

  200. IT’S GREAT, Dr. King prevented another Civil War in this nation. We need more with his morals, too bad our president doesn’t have the moral fiber of Dr King.

  201. Right on the money! the only thing you left out was that
    MLK was paid to cause a civil war so the commies could
    attack and defeat the US. The only thing I like my ex father in law
    for is the fact that he helped shoot the man. (Yes he was
    in the military. Special Forces, assigned to save the
    union from that evil commie.) Sometimes the gov actually does
    a good thing.

  202. AS A PUBLIC SERVANT AND RETIREE OF THE MILITARY I CAN APPRECIATE THE NEED FOR AND EXISTENCE OF A DAY TO HONOR CIVIL RIGHTS LEADERS. THE FACT THAT THE GOVERNMENT DICTATES THAT STATES MUST COMPLY AND THE WEAK KNEED SPINELESS POLITICIANS GIVE IN TO THE PRESSURE MAKES ME ILL. AS FOR THE PEOPLE THAT WORSHIP AND IDOLIZE DR. KING THAT IS THEIR CHOICE AND THEY ARE THE ONES THAT MUST ANSWER TO GOD ON JUDGEMENT DAY FOR HAVING PLACED A MORTAL MAN ABOVE HIS COMMANDMENTS. FOR ALL THOSE WHO WOULD CLASSIFY ME AS A FACIST, RACIST OR RIGHTWINGER, GROW UP THIS IS A COUNTRY OF FREE SPEECH IF IT WASN’T YOU WOULD NOT BE CELEBRATING MLK DAY…..

  203. I feel that if Dr. King had been allowed to live, even though he would come to a natural death later, we would have no MLK Day to observe. He would have sure self-destructed or been destroyed by one of his own who just couldn’t stand to see him gloat in the glory he had attained. Instead of MLK Day, June-teenth (June 19) would be a considerably more appropriate day to observe. The day is coming when envious, glutonous, power-hungry blacks will use their political clout to get a day named for themselves. Then, the frivolity of it all will become obvious. Until then, just enjoy your free day from work or school!

    GET A LIFE!!!! This is still

  204. sorry, not outrage about celebrating MLK birthday. I think it is a good idea. I had to work on King”s birthday, but life goes on and I am happy for those who had it off

  205. I am not at all outraged about Mr. King having a holiday. I like holidays. Someone please post for me a short description of what he actually did. It’s kind of the opposite of the impeachment trial, the congress is looking for what Mr. Clinton did wrong, and I want to know what Mr. King did right. Was he a Senator or something?

  206. What did MLK jr. do?
    This is a fair question. MLK was a charismatic leader who brought
    reason and temperment to a potentially explosive time.
    At the time in which men like Malcom X were preaching death, when the
    Black Panthers were talking revolution, King taught non-violence and equality.

    He never hurt anyone. He stood by his convictions despite
    ridicule from all sides, and never wavered.
    He brought about a social revolution not by taking up arms
    or spewing more hate rhetoric into the air. He did it by peaceful
    protest. He filled the streets, the jails, and conveyed his message
    in a way that couldn’t be ignored.

    He went to prison for his beliefs, and stood his ground.
    For this alone he deserves recogintion and respect.

    Beyond this, he was a good Christian man who was probably
    the most eloquent speaker the Baptists have ever produced.
    He inspired us to dream of a brighter future for our children,
    and motivated us to strive to make it a reality.

    He was probably one of the only civil rights leaders that didn’t
    teach “black power” or “the white man is evil.”

    We know these men too often. Malcolm X, Louis Farakhan, Al Sharpton; these men are
    hate mongers no better than the forces they claim to fight.
    But Martin Luther King Jr. was different. He taught equality for all
    and love for our fellow man.

    I to dream of a world in which a man is not judged by the
    color of his skin, or where his ancestors came from, but by
    the content of his character.

    If he has no character, then we can freely judge him to be an SOB
    But when he demonstrates countless times a conviction
    to the high ideals he preaches, then he is a man that has
    earned our respect. I would honor the Rev. King even if he
    hadn’t been assassinated. He was a good man who will sorely
    be missed.

    The world would be a far better place if it had more men of his
    passion, drive, and conviction.

  207. Right On !!
    the real outrage is that anyone could be outraged by the above statement.
    If politics is the art of the possible, then politicians are those who will try to get away with as much as possible.

  208. please do not send me your
    mlk essay again. unless you plan on sending one
    to the decendents of jefferson
    and washington, lincoln or anyone else that gets a day of reverence.
    why do you omly send this column out on
    the reverends birthday?

  209. Coming from a multi racial country like New Zealand,I am still appalled by Americans conflicts with the the black race.
    I admired Martin Luther King,and being a white New Zealander I think he was symbolic of peace for everyone.

  210. The author deserves recognition and praise for saying what so many of us would like to. We should honor him with a day off work.
    MLK Day should not be a national holiday. He deserves tribute, yes; but his name, life story and attributions in encyclopedias and history books, ect. is enough in my opinion.

  211. What religion actually has New Years as a sacred
    holiday, and why does no one realize the rest are only
    paganist rituals, and that religion in general was
    only created to incite fear and control people. Why else
    would the pope or anyone else be allowed to keep altering
    the rules for modern times. If it is real, the rules it began
    with are the ones we should be following.

  212. In New Hampshire, we call MLKD “Civil Rights Day.” Why should Dr. King get all the fame for what hundreds and thousands have done to promote equality?

  213. The fault lies not with MLK (for having a day named for him), but with those who wish to deify him. It can be debated whether MLK set out for personal fame, or not. I think he was altruistic.

  214. Gee, maybe all holidays are crass, indignant wastes of time,
    celebrated only for time off from work, by all the beer-swilling cretins in this moral and
    intellectual wasteland that we call a country. Maybe this
    article will stir up more white/black arguments than the author
    could have possibly dreamed. Maybe one day an article
    that starts out sounding like the author is an intelligent, human being
    won’t end in a way that proves the malady of ignorance is
    still alive and strong in today’s populace. but, I guess
    thats just wishfull thinking.

    -Bojon

  215. I was OUTRAGED by the comments I read on this site. Martin Luther King Jr was a wonderful man. Many people were given inspiration in a time of racism and oppression by Dr. Kings words and deeds. He is a man who needs to be admired rather than slandered. Maybe we wouldn’t have MLK day if he hadn’t been assasinated but that shouldn’t matter. He lived his life for the good of others, particularly the black minorities and that is what does matter. As a caucasian woman, I cannot begin to fathom the racism and oppression of those times. I only know what I have read and heard about and that does not allow me to live it or feel it. I know though, that we were all supposed to be equal. We were all supposed to have the freedom of choice, religion, speech etc. If this is true, what is wrong with MLK and his efforts to make it real? I’m glad that my children can go to school and learn about Dr. King and other men like him. In a time when we had men like Malcom X “preaching” hate and groups such as the Black Panthers, I consider Martin Luther King to have been a pillar in the forming of our countrys future. We should all be greatful.

  216. I liked the document overall, but especialy the second to last paragraph that talks about the day when we can make fun of the black stereotype without being called a racist, I TOTALY agree with you on that point.

  217. “Daily” Outrage? The only thing outrageous here is that you fine folks haven’t written anything new in about 3 1/2 weeks, and still retain the title “Daily” Outrage.

    Besides, this is simply a repost (see the article).

    While I generally agree with the thrust of the article (though I will admit that the religious underpinnings of
    Dr. King’s message bear better analysis than the political portions), I only have one bit of advice.

    If you can’t keep this site updated, take it down.

    I know, you guys made an apologetic earlier about why you had to back off, but three weeks or better is hardly worthy of the title “Daily.”

    It’s awful easy to talk outrage if you only have to show up every once in awhile.

    Get to work.

    Regards.

    Ed.

  218. Using ones constitutional rights to bear arms as a cover for spreading hate only feeds fuel to the fire that rages as gun control.When one looks for a reason to support gun control he need only to pull up a page such as this .What better argument than who needs more psycho-paramilitary computer literate and presumably educated racist running around the country.

  219. Thank you for this rant and for your site. After reading the predictable responses from these typically ignorant and arrogant leftists has reaffirmed what all of us have known to be true: This nation is no more. It bares no resemblance to the country for which both of my grandfathers fought, one of them sacrificing his left leg. Freedom, virtue, honor, and character are words that mean nothing to the cretans who make up the majority of our society. Perhaps they are words with too many syllables. I used to be angered at the thought of someone burning a flag, but if I were to see it happen now, I would put the fire out by urinating on it. I hope that when free men build a new nation for themselves in the future, they respect this one historical fact — Every great society was built by Conservatives, and subsequently torn down by liberals.

  220. I really enjoyed and agree with the contents of your “We Have A Dream”.I hope in our life time we see it!!!!

  221. Dr. Rev. MLK did more than anyone to ensure the passage of the 24th Amendment to the Constitution. The Voting rights act of 1964 also owed a lot to him.
    Equal voting rights for all Americans, regardless of race, isn’t something many people oppose. So for these two things, I think he deserves a holiday. As for character flaws- at least he never lied under oath.

  222. most disallusioned white bigots should have rage. I mean lets deal with the facts in world history, at most 80% came from western europe to these shore because there is little to no natural resoures in the region they came from,the climate is a frozen,foggy, rainy region for the most part. Lets real quickly talk about there social customs at that time nobility verses the peasant,as they so divided themselves,childeren worked to death,or used for there pleasures,months without any hygene,which resulted in various plagues,and a influx of undesireables,rapists,the original con artists,robbers,pirates,and extreme fanatics start to be a problem.They were told by a “plundering bafoon” if,i may coin one of your european term that labled himself as a great navigator to come to east India,oh im sorry ,the west indies and theres this other place north that you can start anew as well thats even more a steal*#$,I mean for your religous freedom,and plunder and kill each other and any indigenous inhabitants that did or did not stand in there way.meanwhile back in the fatherland, i alway thought birth was from the mother,anyway thats another subject.They discovered that they had after all these years a very very very very resourceful,and viable paradise,and yes with neighbors,who were a bit naive just south of them.since the majority of the new inhabintants of the new land had more hardships because they did’nt really no how to work the land back north without completly destroying it came up with a brilliant idea lets grab a few of these black darki$#&, i mean inhabintants and bring them back to our new land and show them our heathenisti$#&,i mean our civilized way of doing things.well theres so much more. but the two things i have the hardest time trying to figure out is why they keep saying that this land is there land the good old red white and the blue,along with the confederecy swasti#$%, i mean cross, and when they didnt even ask there neighbors to come.The other thing that would be hard to stomach is that your ancestor had very little to do with ingenuity of north america,but dont be to made you get all the enormous benefits.

  223. I had no idea that was all a veteren would be awarded. Thats absolutely sickening.To think a person gives there body and soul to defend our lives and country and to be literally spit on for their service, it’s a crime and our justice system should rethink and rewrite the rule book to better compensate those AMERICAN HEROES we owe so much to. ONE DISGUSTED AMERICAN

  224. Dear Outrage,

    I read your Outrage for 11/8/98, and I came away from the
    article confused. I know the writer was trying to make a
    point about levels of compensation, comparing veteran’s
    medical compensation and compensation for “victims”
    stemming from lawsuits, but why did he/she have to
    compare apples and oranges? About the only similarity I
    can come up with is that compensated money is involved,
    and that is a small fact by itself. The two main differences I
    find between your examples are: 1.) Lawsuits and
    government compensation are two different things. Our
    gov’t doles out what it thinks is a livable wage for these
    veterans, even though some of the figures seem small for
    today’s economic rates. If a veteran felt that he/she was
    reciving little or no compensation for their injuries, they can
    sue the government, and demand how many thousands or
    millions they want. When somebody files a lawsuit, the
    amount desired is determined by the victims and their
    lawyers. I don’t if this fact was practiced in the cases you
    described, but usually the award a plantiff is awarded is not
    what he/she demanded, whether it be a decision or a
    settlement. They might ask for a lot, but it is up to the
    Courts to decide how much the plantiff recieves, so blaming
    these victims is a very narrow assessment. 2.) This
    veteran’s provision was probably intended for war-time
    injuries, which could total in the many thousands, like in
    Vietnam. If the U.S. were to ever again engage in a long,
    bloody war again, the amount owed by our government
    could be very substantial. I’m not sure if you’re avocating
    larger purses for veterans, or small ones or “victims.” I feel
    that some debilitating injuries deserve larger sums of
    compensation, but if this amount were to eventually mirror
    lawsuit awards, if you dream of “sensible” awards come
    true, that would still cost taxpayers a lot.
    I’ve read your article off and on for a while now, and it seems
    to me that you guys can’t stand the incredible amount of
    lawsuits that are being filed today, especially
    “emotionally-charged” lawsuits like sexual harassment. I
    know it’s ludicrious that some people are recieving a vast
    fortune for something you consider to be petty and absurd.
    I don’t want to tell you people how to think, but I feel there are
    more important issues today that deserve some of your
    outrage when it comes to finances, like the fact that
    corporations are a ton of cash off the stock markets, while
    the median income for Americans has been stagnant for the
    past twenty or thirty years. Also, how about the poverty rate
    here in the good ol’ USA, which includes many Nam vets,
    and compare that to most industrialized nations on this
    planet. I could go on and on, but if you want my and many
    other’s attention to be focused at this web site, you guys
    should use material that’s a little more relevent, and a lot
    more Outrageous!!!!!!!!!

  225. I think the Outrage should have a Hit List with the names of the judges that award these ridiculous amounts in settlements so we can VOTE THEM OUT!!! I WANT NAMES, I WANT ACCOUNTABILITY FROM THEM!!!

  226. I would like to add this one point. I speak only for my Marine brothers and the other 3 branches if they can fit the description of what I say.
    As Marines we did not go into the service or wars thining we would become rich. We did it for honor and loyalty to our country.
    So dont pity us for our meger disability pay, pity the Americans who will never know the courage to serve and fight
    for their country. Pity those who spit on us and burn our flags. Pity those who elected the president and Mr. Clinton.
    We gave our blood and lives for the Corps not for the Money. Semper Fi my brothers!!

  227. I hope the point of this Outrage is the absurdity of the awards awarded to so-called victims.
    I’m not trying to say that veterans are being adequately compensated for what happens to them.
    As a soldier, I understand that I’m in danger.
    A comparison between the two is valid, when you have people who
    think that sexual harassment is worth multi-million dollar lawsuits. Imagine, parents who failed to seatbelt their child think that they should be rewarded when the family of a soldier who dies in combat is given peanuts.
    You got to love the pro-victim policy of our society.
    This outrage should be clarified (So that anyone who reads the outrage will note that the attack is on the absurd settlements given to victims) and then sent to every politician and judge in the country. Maybe, one day they will take heed.

    Is it really the victim or his or her attorney which really profits in these cases?

    Personally, I support Paula Coughlin 100% – the conduct was outrageous and the jury sent a strong message that stopped it from recurring.

  228. Soldiers have always been cannon fodder. Ask any ground pounder that served under Patton in WW II. The compensation is not enough for the underpaid, underfed, overworked and mutilated people that stopped their lives and careers to protect our country.

  229. Great. Finally Outrage switches over to advertisement in their postings. Where is the un-subscribe button?

    Gosh – this is outrageous

    Markus

    The most out outrageous rip off I know of was the new stadium in Seattle. After being defeated at the polls in general election, the city council legeslated the funding – $450 million dollars.

    Big government at its best!

    Annuities aren’t all that bad. I sold them for several years and I am aware that most people buying them don’t understand what they’re buying and many of those selling them don’t understand what they are selling.

    They come in a variety of sizes and styles but the basic deferred annuity, either single premium or flexible premium, provides a minimum interest rate, usually something between 2% and 4% regardless of where market rates may be. In difference to most other investments, the estate will never receive less than the original ivestment, regardless of the economy. Agent commissions are not deducted from the annuity deposit with the basic annuities mentioned previously. Variable Annuities, may have bloated administrative fees and poor investment strategies but again, this annuity has an option that includes a death benefit equal to the original deposit or premium so, from an estate standpoint, it’s a safe investment.

    If a situation develops that requires an early withdrawal from an annuity, prior to the age of 59.5, the IRS will impose a 10% penalty on the interest earnings portion of the annuity and in all cases, one must withdraw all the interest first, before they can withdraw the original premium deposit. The insurance company underwriting the annuity may also have early withdrawal penalties that can be excessive and extend from a year to twenty years, so pay strict attention to that aspect of an annuity.

    Many people have lost a substantial portion of their investments in the current market and if they were to die, the estate would get whatever is left of their stock values. Having said all of that, I will be the first to say that there are companies out their in the market selling annuities that are much worse than others so, as with anything else you buy, shop around.

    Let’s review the situation. Mom invests $100,000 in a Single Premium Annuity, which may have a current interest rate of 5% and a minimum interest rate of 2% (interest rates may be guaranteed for some period of time after which they will follow the market)and mom also has a death benefit of $100,000. Her estate would never be worth less than that. Five years from now, mom is 60 and needs to withdraw $50,000 for whatever reason. She would first withdraw all interest dollars and then she would receive the balance in deposit dollars. She might have $25,000 in interest available on which she would pay taxes and the balance would be deposit dollars, which were after tax dollars in most cases and she would not pay taxes on that portion. Remember, if she’s under the age of 59.5, she would pay a 10% penalty on the $25,000 of interest being withdrawn, as well as paying taxes on the income received in the year she receives it.

    Annuites have many features that are positive but becoming a millionaire with annuities isn’t one of them. The estate value feature is a big one for many people since you don’t pay taxes on a life insurance policy payout when mom dies. Any other investment will probably result in estate and probate taxes at the time of death. Probate can take anywhere from six months to five years or longer, cost several thousand dollars and you still pay taxes on what you get when the dust settles. Annuites that begin paying out a specific sum of money immediately, are called Immediate Annuites and once you elect to receive monthly payments in return for the deposit, it cannot be reversed or changed. These are often used as settlements for lottery winnings or income from the sale of a business for tax purposes.

    Keep on being outraged…hey, you didn’t become the Drudge Report but you could have, with a little luck so, keep trying and don’t give up!

    Errol Helton, South Bend, IN

    great rag, though i some times think that outrage is two soft a word for the situations you report on. the annuity scam by the armstrong scumbag is a good one, typical of most investment conartist, the only two forays i’ve made into the investment game were disasterous for me. on a hot tip i bought some oil drilling stock, then a bust started the next week, and i joined an esop plan(employee stock ownership plan) and sunk a ton of money into that so when they went bankrupt, the owners walked away with tens of millions of $, i have some certificates that are worth buttkus and a negative net worth. welcome to the real work you people, the waters are infected with sharks, highly trained in perpetrating outrages on us lowly minions of the body politic. live is an education,, some of it as costly as an ivy league education, but then, lots of them are loosing their shirts in the “adjustment” happening in the stock market(them being those that ain’t me and having a degree from the ivy garden) doesn’t make me feel better that they too don’t know crap from shinola when it comes to investing, just adds to my knowledge base. invest in yourself, your family, and the real estate on your block, maybe put some gold coins ina can in the back yard and you won’t get majestically screwed.

    greg hall

    SO! It’s someone’s else’s fault that Mother Outrage made a bad investment? C’mon, now. You ever hear of due diligence, common sense, etc.? I find it amazing that you can get so irritated about someone making an 8% or 10% commission and consider it a rip-off. In your mind is it more appropriate for someone to work for free? How much of your first life insurance premium do you think the salesman gets? 8%? 10%? 20%? Is it outrageous that they get 50%?

    Yes, you’re right in assuming that I’m a commission salesman. And yes, you would probably consider my commissions outrageous when you figure the amount of time spend in the presence of the client on the sale. But you also need to think about some other ingredients in the mix. The time to generate the lead, the paperwork, the follow up, the unreimbursed expenses I incur, etc. Finally, think about the fact that the kind of sale you referred to in your article isn’t an everyday happening. Is it still outrageous if the salesman only makes one sale per month? How about one every other month? Or maybe one a week is what it takes to be really outrageous?

    Sales is one of the better paying professions if you happen to be good at it and you apply yourself. But it is also a profession that will quickly wear you out. No salary safety net…. long hours…. stress far beyond any you might encounter in the corporate office as a salaried staff member. If a salesman complains about long hours, too much travel, seemingly eight day weeks, bad leads, etc., the response is pretty universal: “If you want to be home every night, work an eight hour day, collect the same guarenteed pay check every other week and have your weekends to yourself, go get a $30,000 a year office job.”

    By the way, where were you when mother was making the bad decision? Doesn’t she trust your judgement enough to ask your opinion?

    After being injured at my place of employment I went to a doctor, and subsequently had surgery. My local boss (of a LARGE corporate giant), bless his little ass covering heart, saw fit to use my personal sick time, and then start to doc my vacation time for my absence. Only because I was concerned about a lack of pay when my vacation time would run out did I call the officials at “workmans comp”, only to be advised that I was being cheated out of a MANDITORY 13 weeks time off for an on the job injury! They’ll try to get ya at every turn!

    The most outrageous financial ripoff I have ever experienced has come from lawyers. Whether they were paid hundreds of dollars or more than $40,000, I have NEVER met one who walked into the trial or hearing fully prepared.

    Several years ago my realtor found a drug forclosure property that was offered for $30,000. I made an offer to another realtor, and found out the rules stated that the property had to be listed for a week before any bids could be tendered.This realtor gave me a bad feeling,so the first day of the bid offerings,I changed my bid to 30,050,thinking that no-one would bid any more than the government was asking.I was correct in my thinking except that for some reason all the bids were re-submitted to the realtor,but no-one told me anything about it,and I subsequently lost the bidding competition by $150.The only real money I lost was on the postage wasted on letters to Janet Reno,but I feel like I’ve lost something,and if I wasn’t cynical enough before…

    Aloha from Unclebill

  230. You know what they say … privatize the gains and socialize the loses.

    And some of the politicans who support big agri subsidizes are outraged by
    subsidies to homeowners. Go figure

  231. True,
    Too many handouts through out our government. Too many
    people being allowed to make
    costly mistakes without having to pay the price for thier mistakes themselves. Instead, the rest of us are
    forced to assist through increased taxes, increased
    prices, increased rules.
    Well…..at least gas and milk are cheap.

  232. i agree there are plenty of things to gripe about but for every one thing we gripe about there are ten things out there to stop us from actually doing anything about it, we are at their mercy!

  233. The mainstream media has been strangely silent about the criminal enterprise in Postville, Iowa.

    http://isteve.blogspot.com/2008/05/postville-iowa.html

    There has been a giant immigration raid in Postville, Iowa, a town that has been taken over by a Hasidic Jewish sect, the Lubavitchers, and the third world illegal workers from Mexico and Eastern Europe that they have imported to work at their meat processing plant and are dumping on the community:

    http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080512/NEWS/80512012/1001

    Claims of ID fraud lead to largest raid in state history
    BY NIGEL DUARA, WILLIAM PETROSKI AND GRANT SCHULTE • REGISTER STAFF WRITERS • MAY 12, 2008
    Postville, Ia. – The largest workplace raid in Iowa history Monday resulted in the arrest of more than 300 people and reignited the debate over immigration.

    As two law enforcement helicopters hovered overhead, dozens of federal agents descended on Agriprocessors Inc., the nation’s largest kosher slaughterhouse.

    The 300 people arrested represent almost one-third of the plant’s 968 workers, and federal officials said the number of arrests could increase. The number is three times as many as were arrested in a raid 18 months ago at the Swift plant in Marshalltown.

    Months in planning, Monday’s raid involved 16 local, state and federal agencies, led by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). They executed search warrants related to criminal activity, as well as a civil search warrant for people believed to be in the United States illegally.

    “This is the largest operation of its type ever in Iowa,” said Matt M. Dummermuth, U.S. attorney for the Northern District.

  234. Ben and his stealing co-horts should be taken out and shot, but only after they give taxpayers our money back.

  235. John: One correction … those nasty richie-rich investment bankers at Bear Stearns weren’t bailed out. They were allowed to fail. They’re the ones hit hardest by the events over the weekend. A large percentage of their bonuses were paid in Bear Stearns options that wouldn’t vest for years. That means that thousands of people lost their jobs and lost more than 50% of their net worth over the weekend when their stock lost 99% of its value. These are people who studied harder than any of us in school. They worked hard to get were they are. They work longer hours than almost any of us. They have houses with mortgages and kids in college. They don’t deserve pity. Their company made mistakes and they’re paying for them. That’s how capitalism works. But they don’t deserve scorn either. JP Morgan did do well in this. They benefited from a government-mandated firesale, as the only viable buyers; but this is very different from a bailout of Bear Stearns. Chris

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  236. Chris,
    Glad to see you’re still reading the Outrage, but I’m surprised to see you defending what very much was a bailout; if not for the common stock holders than certainly for the bond holders. Those bonds would have traded for far less than par value if the Fed had not stepped in to guarantee the debt, something they had not done in 40 years. JP Morgan would never have gone through with the purchase if not for the Fed guarantee, so it was something far less than a market correction. At every single Wall Street financial institution you will find top management getting million dollar bonuses while shareholders get shafted; this is a classic agency problem taken to the extreme. And this is exactly what has happened at BS if you look back over the last year or so.

    I also very much disagree with you about the hard work and or education of investment bank employees; they don’t work any harder, at school or at the office, than millions of other hard working Americans, yet they make far more money, and they are the first to scream for government intervention when they lose money. In general, Wall Streeters are unscrupulous people who care about little other than their own short term financial gains.

    You can be a Randian free-market capitalist, as I am, without closing your eyes to the collusion between government and the investment banks.

    Hope you’re well,
    John

  237. Folks, I’d recommend that you read “The Case Against the Federal Reserve”, by the late economist Murray Rothbard. (You can download it for free from http://www.mises.org .)

    The Federal Reserve represents one of the biggest scams in American history. It was sold to the American people as a government institution that would watch after the American economy in order to keep things stable, and to prevent inflation. Actually, though, it’s a privately-owned institution, with none other than J.P. Morgan as one of the principal owners. It was set up to enable widespread fractional-reserve lending, which would allow more member banks to lend more money than they would ordinarily be able to. Thus, banks profits would increase dramatically. Inflation, which the Fed ostensibly tries to prevent, results as a side-effect.

    Also, the practices of issuing fiat currency and fraction-reserve lending have enabled the Federal government to grow beyond anything that the Founding Fathers could possibly have imagined. (They’d be rolling in their graves if they could know.)

    But, consider. . .

    J.P. Morgan is a principal owner of the Federal Reserve, and Uncle Ben arranges a bail-out operation of Bear Stearns, from which J.P. Morgan benefits greatly. Yeah, imagine that!

  238. DLHughley the comedian put it perfectly.He said,”I feel sorry for any white person,they can’t say or do anything without it being labeled rascist.:The tide has turned ugly in this country.I am fed up,Blacks don’t even treat fellow blacks with respect,around here they all call each other the “N”word,which God forbid if whitey used it,you know who would get involved.Reverse rascism is alive and well in the old USA.I see it all the time in rural Southern VA and I know it is not just here!

  239. It is unfortunate that so many blacks in this country are willing to be led around by the nose by the likes of Jesse Jackson. How this jackass maintains any credibility with anyone of any race is beyond me. His agenda is nothing more than self-promotion through racial tension and divisiveness. I wonder who the race warlords will blame for their troubles in a couple of decades when blacks are cleaning the toilets of the wealthy hispanic population.

  240. This is another example of the looney left wing. When are people of all color going to take responsibility for their actions. Six individuals beat 1 indvidual to a bloody pulp. It is wrong and the six should pay the price for thier actions. Plain & Simple!!!

  241. Once again, PC has run amok, and common sense has been forced into the shadows. Pathetic spotlight-seekers like Sharp, JJ, & Bowie grab the nearest microphone to put in their 1 penny drivel. And the media feeds on it all like sharks in a bloodbath. Have they considered the reality that MILLIONS of Americans are turning them OFF more often because of vomit like this stuff?

  242. I think that the black leaders who seek power and media attention misuse and distort situations such as this to their own benefit. THEY are the biggest problems in so-called discrimination! THEY feed on it.

  243. I think the players from La Crosse got off much too easy!

    UNBELIEVABLE!! That anyone can think it’s o.k. for any human to abuse and almost kill another human, whether they are black or white is beyond any comprehension! You can bet your bottom dollar, if this were 3 white men doing the same to a black..they would certainly be called Racists..is this not the same?

  244. Interesting OUTRAGE…and if your story were accurate it would even be witty–but not brilliant. I have read several accounts of this story in the press and none of them mention the “two events” that took place BEFORE the fight at school. I guess that’s YOU illustrating just how ‘dull and ignorant’ your editors really are. Next time, try and take the time to “investigate” before typing out one-sided opinions based off of watered down versions of the real events that took place in Jena. Anyone can put their own slant on a story — try reporting on “all” the facts; it’s amazing how knowing the “whole” can change one’s perception. For example, if you would have taken the time to investigate the “real” events in chronological order; you might of had the decency to mention that after the nooses were hung and African Americans in the town were OUTRAGEED, a school board meeting took place where the DA showed with the sheriff and his deputies to warn “dem Black folk” that he could ..”make their lives disappear by the stroke of his pen..” Now, c’mon what’s the police doing at a school board meeting in the first place. I have kids..I’ve been to school board meetings and I have yet to see the DA grace us with her prescence. And if your editors weren’t too busy, they might have discovered a African American student was beat up by several WHITE boys at a school party, PRIOR to the school fight (but after the noose hanging)…ahh but it’s not about race; he probably wasn’t invited to thier brew ha ha.. Finally, if your editors were real reporters they may have mentioned that two African American students were threatend by a sawed-off shotgun by a WHITE man, BEFORE the school fight. And when the student were able to diarm the man and run away, they were later charged by the same DA with gun theivery. But, I’m sure Jena 6 is not about race.. Now I’m not advocating violence of any kind–but it seems strange to me how 6 students can be charged with 2-degree murder over a school yard fight, face 100 years each, when a brutal rapist of children can only get 17 years. Hmmm, nah, it’s not about race..”dem boys got what was comin’ to ’em–they was warned at the school board meetin’ wadn’t they?”

  245. Everyone does have an opinion, but all facts aren’t addressed in the response from http://www.dailyoutrage.com. There was in fact two beatings of one of the Jena six children (I say children because that’s what they are) before the beating of Justin Barker. One beating was at the school (after noose incident, which raised racial tension). The other beating was at a barn party when a white man beat the children (Jena 6 children) and let’s not forget about the shot gun incident, when a white student pulls out a shot gun loaded from the back of his truck and threatens the children with it, and the children (Jena 6) disarms the shot gun toting student (also a child) and was never charged with illegal use of a firearm or any other charges which warrants a threat or battery. The Jena 6 refuse to return the gun to the other boy, but were charged with three counts (one robbery, battery, and illegal possession of a firearm). What about self defense? The boy should have taken the gun to the police station, but he might have been arrested on the spot. Let’s remember that they are all children and can and sometimes will make poor judgements(that’s why we call them children). If I ever see a noose hanging from a tree at my work place or in my community, I would be outraged and scared to death. The noose represents a major threat on my life and the people around me. The three white children should have been suspended from school (I know what you are thinking, they were suspended, right? It was a three day in school suspension…what the heck is that?). They should have had to attend their three day suspension at a nearby African American History Museum or some sort of Museum of Tolerance to actually understand how that may have affected their fellow classmates. For the Jena 6 to have to ask if they can even sit under the white tree in the first place, may give us an indication that there was already racial tension at the school anyway. Furthermore, as to Mychal Bells previous assault charges may have been the result of other racially motivated hate crimes. The people who claim that he has a history of violence need to do more research and find out what this child has been through being raised in Jena, Louisiana. Please don’t take this as acceptance of the behavior for the Jena 6. The activists are saying you should not take these boys lives from them and that’s exactly what the D.A. told them he could do with the stroke of a pen. The punishment should fit the crime and everyone one should have consequences. Everyone (white and black) should be charged. Maybe everyone should be forced to spend some time together. If everyone is charged and sentenced equally, the children can do a few days together in juvenile lock up and explain how they feel about what the nooses mean and how the beatings made them feel. Two wrongs don’t make it right, and it’s all about getting along. Let’s find peace and understanding.

    My Fam wrote this and I totally agree!

    God bless U

    “Let it all blow …… Worse is better ….. for now.”

  246. I live in Louisiana and can tell you that justice has been meted out in a very fair fashion. What outsider cannot fathom is this kid, Mychel Bell is a thug and his prior arrest record is what screwed him.

    America has a big problem with responsibility. One must accept the responsibility of their actions. This young man must pay the price of acting irresponsibly.

  247. Reverse racism is rampant…accusing racism is an excuse to not perform to a proper common sense standard of how anyone should want or expect to be treated… its time to move forward from this horrible crippling stigma that will make this country less than the great place that it is…
    I am only prejudiced against A$$hole$ …and they come in every color and nationality.

    Don’t we have enough to do?

  248. There are plenty of false charges of racism, but when the story starts with a whites-only tree, that’s a fair label.

  249. NY Post editorial has it well at http://www.nypost.com/seven/09232007/postopinion/editorials/the_jena_six.htm

    Tempting though it is to automatically dismiss any protest led by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, the fact is that the raging revs this time have found a cause with genuine substance.

    Indeed, it’s impossible to examine the case of the so-called Jena Six without concluding that these black teens have been the victims of a miscarriage of justice, with a clearly racial double standard at work.

    Not that the six Louisiana teens are entirely blameless in this affair: By all accounts, they assaulted a white classmate and beat him senseless (though he was released from the hospital just hours later).

    But there was no justification for the decision by District Attorney Reed Walters to charge the six as adults with attempted murder – which could have sent them all to prison for decades.

    Such charges are blatantly disproportionate to the offense.

    Again, the attack on the white student was serious – whether he was released from the hospital that day or not.

    But schoolyard brawls break out all the time in America – and the brawlers generally don’t face decades behind bars.

    Indeed, white teens involved in two similar (though less serious) incidents against black victims in Jena itself faced much lower charges, resulting in no jail time.

    Such inconsistency leads Americans to lose confidence in the racial impartiality of law enforcement and the judicial system.

  250. They are all a bunch of whining babies. Always, I repeat, ALWAYS looking for some reason to complain to the media about something. And here we are reading “the NY Post” where it stated the other day that the Yankees tickets are going UP – 35%. They should strike a couple more times. Then you JERKS who support any of these teams can pay higher prices to watch these pumped up, drug induced, so-called athletes complain and whine somemore, while putting your millions in the bank or up their noses. Enough said. As you can tell I’M OUTRAGED!!!!!!

  251. HAS ANYONE EXPLAINED TO MR. WALLACE THAT HE MIGHT BE GRATEFUL TO THE NBA? AFTER ALL, I DON’T SEE A FUTURE FOR HIM TEACHING GRAMMAR WITH PHRASES LIKE “DON’T KNOW NO BETTER”. HOW ABOUT “DON’T KNOW ANY BETTER”? THIS WOULD EXPLAIN WHY I DON’T GET EXCITED ABOUT MOST SPORTS.

  252. Typical. I gave up watching the NBA because it has turned into thugball. The NBA now stands for Nigger Basketball Association

  253. Political correctness is killing this country. It isn’t PC to speak ill of minorities, and in fact it’s even horrible racism. Yeah, right. Blacks are only 12% of the population, but turn on your TV and see what color face comes on-screen first! Try to find white musicians who are successful! Listen to the foulmouthed vernacular of the blacks that is accepted without criticism in the interest of fairness and being PC, but let any white person talk like that and listen to the outrage! I don’t know who is behind this insidious campaign to persuade whites they are inferior (just see how many white girls “prefer” black men), but more and more TV shows feature blacks as the mature decision makes and whites as the indecisive lackeys. Black rage is not only ridiculous, it is profitable. All those idiots who have been persuaded black’s charges of exploitation are valid now respond to these tirades like a Las Vegas slotmachine hitting four 7’s on the center line. Don’t like listening to this anti-white racism? Buy it off with more money to the poor blacks. And, while you’re making them ever richer, check and see how must of that money goes into self-gratification and how much is “given back” in the form of charity – even to black charities! Bill Gates is a horrible white billionaire who gives continuously to charities, and Michael Jackson is a poor black singer who keeps his own private fun-park, indulges in quarter-million dollar spending sprees, and has a taste for little boys. I wonder why poor Jacko isn’t raging like his unbleached black brother athletes? Even more cogent, when in Hell will the public wake up to this egregious abuse of privilege by black athletes and boycott them. When the stadiums are empty and Neilsen says everyone is watching Beavis and Butthead, these a**holes will get cut off at the pocket!

  254. the mindless march to destruction continues remember rome fell aftewr the games collapsed the economy and bankrupted the empire as long as the mob is placated these excesses will contineu untill we as a society are gone its happened before its happening now the older we get the stupider we become

  255. They can all go to Hell.
    For political correctness the world has turned up-side-down here in America and this is just another example.

  256. Negroes, and “diversity” proponents have now come to loggerheads.
    How can they argue that a small fraction of the American population is “left out” of opportunities available in this great Country of ours?
    Do me a favor and count the number of TV adds that feature Negroes in them. Then, count the number of TV ads that feature white men.
    When basketball teams have only a few white faces in their ranks, the NFL is very close to fielding all-negro teams and baseball teams have token whites, is there any room for Negroes’special privileges, advocated by the “diversity” gang? [Except as they may apply to white men? The largest “minority” in America!]

  257. This commentary is spot-on! It seems to a great many of us out here in America that all professional athletes are crybabies who get paid obscene amounts of money for playing kids’ games. This is especially true for NBA basketball. Your average NBA forward can reach over 8 feet in the air while standing on the floor. Just how much skill does it take for these giants to stuff a ball in a hoop that’s only 10 feet off the floor? If basketball has become a game for seven-footers, then let’s raise that goal about two feet and make ’em work a little for their inflated paychecks.

    FWIW,

    Tom Weeks

    I no longer follow the NBA. I
    seldom watch the NFL. I prefer
    college football. However, the

  258. I am hopeful that this represents only a handful “minority” of professional athletes. They are giving a bad name to sports. These referenced highly paid crybabies playing in their multimillion dollar playpens will only hurt themselves. I quit going to games, and gave up on all non-college sports except the NFL. If this mentality becomes the majority I will quit that too. What part of capitalism do they not understand? They should be thankful for the God given gifts they possess.

  259. High priced punks but yeah I cant say that because they wouldnt understand anything I say unless it has a “izzle” or a bling bling in it. I would hope that guys who made millions would make every shot, catch every pass, hit every ball, but it doesnt happen. Some of us were good enough to go into pro some werent but some crackhead is whinin and moanin because his check aint fat enough. There are people in the world who pay good money to have thier children’s minds corrupted to watch over-priced hacks play sports. When the black man entered sports he brought the darkness with him.

  260. I don’t watch professional sports! Why you ask? Because I don’t believe in paying some jerk to chase a ball up and down a field.
    Multi-million dollar paychecks just so I can watch someone else get some exercise?
    If you like sports, go out and play some!!! Get a scratch team together and go shoot some hoops or hold a friends and neighbors touch football game. Stand up and have some real fun and stuff the pros.
    You want to trash the dimwitted citadel of professional sports? DON’T WATCH THEM PLAY!! Turn the channel, don’t go to the games, don’t buy the mechandise, don’t support the teams, just flamin’ don’t!

  261. I never gave a hoot for basketball anyway, or for football… but I used to like baseball a lot. When I lived in Atlanta a good many years ago I enjoyed going to the Braves games or just watching them on TV. But then they had a strike and refused to play. Screwed up the whole damn season, but the only people who really got screwed were the fans. I decided then that I’d had it with the greedy, ignorant scumbags and gave up even watching them on televison. Sure, I missed it a little for awhile, but if I want to watch a bunch of spoiled brats play at baseball I’ll go to a Little League game; at least most of those players are playing for their love of the game… or that of their fathers. Right now I wouldn’t give you a hot, flat Budweiser for every ‘professional’ game ever played in any sport.

    I should note here that I don’t see it as a race thing one way or the other; fact is many sports tend to be played better by Blacks so I don’t find it unreasonable that more Blacks are represented in football, basketball, baseball, etc. any more than I find it unreasonable that most brain surgeons are White or Oriental. What I *do* find totally unacceptable is that even the best athlete in the nation makes more money than my very dedicated high school English teacher did. The ‘best athlete in the nation’ never gave to society on his finest day anything like what Miss B. gave on her worst ones. If we as a society will pay more to watch some Teenage Mutant Negro Turkey shoot baskets than we’ll pay to educate our children, I’d say we have a serious value problem.

  262. This just goes to show how things are going now-a-days. We must continue to pin-point ignorance and those who fraud the honest.

  263. Foreign “aid” hell. If the powers that be around the world don’t want to participate in our sacrifice, then why fight it. We certainly shouldn’t pay them to join us. We should pull our troops and military machinery, stop all of our giveaway programs, feed our people and put all those greenbacks to work developing alternate energy sources here! Let the third world eat their oil, feed and medicate their population with it. The people of the US could benefit from some “isolationism”. Bring our jobs back home where they belong.

  264. The federal government should offer foreign aid to it’s own
    citizens. We’re becoming more and more isolated from our own government.
    Totally new leadership, totally new parties.
    Lets vote some poor people into office and shake the government up a bit.

    I’m 62 years old. I’ve been told since I was 12, first by my father, then my peers “foreign aid is foreign bribes”.
    In the past 50 years, the U.S. has literally paid out over a trillion dollars in U.S. Taxpayers money in BRIBES.
    The beneficiary is the Military-Industrial Complex and the loser is the average U.S. Taxpayer.
    Not only is the average U.S. Taxpayer expected to give his hard earned money but is also required to give his blood in insane foreign adventures.
    Perhaps, the labels should be changed from Democrat to Left Wing War Party and from Republican to Right Wing War Party.
    Apparently, the average American has No Political Party representing them any longer.

  265. I believe it was George Washington that admonished future generations to stay out of foreign entanglements. America is a nation unequaled in prosperity and generosity in the modern world. Too bad the rest of the nations don’t appreciate that. In our quest for settlement of the Iraqi situation we are finding out just whom our friends really are. Should we be surprized? Not really, if you take a long hard look at the countries that are bailing on us, like for example, France. A nation of Godless humanists and hedonists. Germany, a nation notorious for homosexuality and perverse tastes. Russia, a nation of voda slurping slavs that haven’t had a reason to celebrate since the 19th century passed. So, why shouldn’t we send them aid? They can’t do much without it. In other words, most of these nations hate God, so, likewise they hate us, under their breath and foreign aid. Forgive them father, for they know not what they do. My fear is that the United States is very soon about to find out how tuff it really is to be #1 and remain there, especially when the dogs of hell are nipping at your heels.

  266. These sort of ugly shenanigans will continue *UNTIL* we Americans decide to grow some spine and *RAISE* *HELL*!!! What about it, gang?!? Is anybody with me?

  267. First let me say that the United States already has bases in Turkey and has for several decades. I retired from the Navy Seabees in 1994 and did one tour of duty in Turkey at the Naval Security Group. (NSG taps into communications around the world).

    That said, the US is NOT giving Turkey 20billion dollars, it is guaranteeing 20 billion in loans from the world back. This is the same as a person co-signing a loan. If you default, the co-signer will make good on the loan.

    As far as why we even have to. Turkey has trade aggreements with those countries around it, including Iraq. In the event of war, those countries may void the trade agreements forcing Turkey to do business elsewhere, and at a higher cost. They are protecting themselves just incase.

    Now, the real question should be, if after the war, sanctions from it’s neighbors never happen, should we recant the guarantee?

  268. If you have a problem with us funding other countries, it didn’t start with our “drunken sailor Bush.” We financially assist almost every country in the world, and not for military reasons. This has been going on for YEARS, AND YEARS. If we’re going to pay them anyway, we might as well get use from their land. Now the point with Turkey is mute at present;all support should be withdrawn. If their people continue to supppurt Iraq, without our funding, that is their right. The common people have probably never received much monies from any source. In that scenario, we should pull out of Turkey, and consider them as allies of Saddam. But don’t put all the spending blame on President Bush. Perhaps the infamous Mr. Gore would be handling this better. I’m sure the tree-huggers and liberals would be thrilled with his do nothing attitude. The ecology here should be fine; I don’t think biological warfare will affect plants…..

  269. Just as the case with every other aspect of Big Government, the practice of
    doling out foreign aid is very deeply engrained. Sure, President Bush should
    show more leadership on this matter, but it takes more than that. It will also
    require the cooperation of the State Department and Congress to end this
    practice. Sadly, this cooperation probably won’t happen.

    Donald A. Tevault
    Webmaster, Civics and Politics
    http://www.civicsandpolitics.com

  270. So, it has been going on a long time, “everybody does it”, and now it totals a trillion dollars. A trillion dollars! When I was a kid, one could live a lifetime on a million dollars–that works out to a million kids!
    If that trillion dollars had been used for the space program, then we would be beyond Pluto by now. How about fixing ALL the damaged bridges–and some roads–in the country? Or a GOOD education for everybody? (Here in CA, it costs more to be in prison that it does to go to Stanford!)
    How about refunding the people trashed in the S&L swindle? …and the WorldCom swindle, Enron, etc.?? That’s a LOT of cash!

    …and what do we have to show for it??

  271. Your Outrage contains some good points, some bad points, and, mostly, simply uninformed points. Having spent considerable time in Mexico, and with in-laws living there now, I’m saddened by the picture your thesis paints.
    1. The Mexican penal system is one of the harshest outside of the mid-eastern countries, and makes American prisons look like resorts.
    2. Many Americans are equally opposed to the death penalty.
    3. Graft in Mexico is dictated by the economy. Known as “mordita,” it serves to make legal services and protections available to poorer people who, on the basis of their social status, would never have access to them otherwise.
    4. Mexico is a much younger country than America, and is still in the process of growing up. Unfortunately, America is proving to be a bad influence on Mexico, exporting our problems and not our solutions.
    5. Mexican Social Security (la programa Seguro Social) is much more welfare conscious than our own SS program. While we are trying to dismantle our SS and Medicare programs, Mexico is working to expand theirs. In Mexico, ALL medical treatments are covered under the SS program. All elderly are covered, and younger people can join through their employment and cover their families as well. Mexico pays the cost of medical school for any person who will sign a contract to serve as doctor for 4 years in a rural community that has no resident MD. Here, doctors are fleeing rural communities like fleas leaving a wet dog, and none are replacing them.

    There is much more, and no space for it here. I agree that the “interference” is not praiseworthy, and that there are holes in Mexican legal and political systems but, hey, it doesn’t take them four months to decide who won a state election. I feel this is another case of the pot trying to call the kettle black. Good luck and buena suerte, amigo.

    Vincente Fox has a spell on our President and those in power.Heonly wants a good part of our country returned to Mexico.From where I sit he is apt to get it!!

  272. They’re no more corrupt in Mexico than in Amerika, it’s just in different areas. When you consider a government that has muredered more people around the world, including it’s own citizens, than any other nation in history, you’d be a fool to thing that you’re going to be treated fairly by the US gummint! ALL gummints are corrupt, it’s just a matter of degrees. What about the homeland “security” act – this one makes Hitler’s mob look like a bunch of pussies. There are concentration camps bing constructed all over the country, for the internment, rape, torture and murder of the Amerikan populace. The Amerikan votor is so bloody dumb they will allow morons like John Ashcroft and Colin Poindexter to actually remain breathing – not to mention good ol’ guba… You are gettin what you deserve. the Mexicans are good guys in comparison, what’s a littlee honest corruption? At least they aren’t out there commmiting genocide on their own people or anyone else that gets in their way. Down with Amerika!

  273. As long as Mexico continues to conduct itself this way, it will continue to be a country all others look down on as being inferior. The lawlessness with which Mexico is run has the affect of making everyone distrust anything they do or say. They are seen as a national joke. This won’t change until they change and bring order and honesty to their people and all their dealings.

  274. This really sucks! $crew the bleep, bleep, bleep corrupt $acks of $hit running the Mexican government. These A-holes running Mexico must be a bunch of Liberals, just like the other Sacks of $hit running the blasted Democratic [Demopimpic] Party here in the USA. All of these illegial Mexicans need to eat $hit and expire. Will do anything for money, just like attorneys anywhere!

  275. I don’t give a rat’s rearend about what the rest of the world thinks about the U.S.A.
    They are more than happy to have us bail them out whenever they have a problem, but offer no help to speak of for ours.

  276. so let me get this straight, what your saying is, If someone were to “take out this war mongering idiot that is running the US”, they could just go to mexico and not have to stand trial, come on how cool is that 🙂

  277. Yes, it is theft and a scam and the way to stop this type of thing from happening again and again is to require ‘buyers’ or hostile takeover investment companies, to actually operate the companies for five to ten years following their actions. Not with a skeleton crew but within a range of twenty percent of the current staff and payroll as of the time of the purchase/takeover.


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  278. Acctually nobody was forced to sell their shares in the first place (unless the buyers allready controlled 90 % of the company and could basically do what ever they wanted anyways!). And secondly nobody is forced to buy the shares now either. Good luck in making a profit if nobody buys. If people are so stupid as to give away their hard earned money the people taking them are not to blame! You have a choise, don´t buy into the stock market if you don´t know what you are doing! I´m sick and tired of people doing bad investment decisions and blaming others for their losses. Read a book or something before you make any decision as to invest your money. Most people do more research before buying a car-stereo then before buying shares for their lives savings, STUPID! Not to say anything about everyone buying in to tech stocks when they are valued at a P/E above 100! STUPID! Those people deserve to be screwed! As I said, read a book or at least start thinking on your own. If you do as everyone else you are not going to get any other result then everybody else and everone will not make money investing! THINK!

    A few big energy companies swindled Californians out of at least $10 Billion a couple years ago when the market was deregulated, while the Bush Administation as well as courts, commissons, and agencies on down have went out of their way to protect the crooks.

  279. BLOODY THIEVES. In bloody suits. The only buttwipess that make them pale are the bloody thieving buttlickers in the White House, Pentagon, state capitols and, of course, their counterparts in Kanaduh. Dickheads all of ’em!

  280. Isn’t this a perfect example of the results of “outcome based education”? Surely, a well educated person could have discerned this scam as it happened.Again, the “dumbing down” of America has shown its ugly head.

  281. Beh, the Seagate “saga” isn’t too much an original invention: more or less the same way was stolen to the people of East Europe everything they gathered in half of a century of heavy work and renouncing. The operation is called “transition”.
    Well, who did steal the transition idea to whom?

  282. The man should be given a medal for standing up and
    protecting what is his. Too often criminals are aware of
    the fact that if they are caught the price to pay is a
    slap on the wrist.

  283. Whom can I email with the clout to change what is an obviously unreasonable and unjust law or series of laws?

  284. This is pretty old news.

    To be fair, the person he murdered was shot in the back, and with what, ISTR, was an unlicenced gun. Does a break-in justify murder? I don’t feel qualified to judge on that one, but my gut feeling is one of disproportionate scales…

    I think it’s a bit dangerous judge others by the standards of a country for whom gun ownership is commonplace and gun related deaths are almost an epidemic.

    Its easy to get outraged when you don’t have the full story…

  285. Stu,
    To be REALLY FAIR, the guy wouldn’t have been shot ANYWHERE if he hadn’t been breaking into someone’s house. And by the way, he may have been planning to murder but he was not “MURDERED”. He was killed by someone protecting themselves and their property. You do not know what he was doing even if he had his back to the resident.
    J

  286. This is indeed an outrage. Not surprising, however considering where it took place. In liberal countries this is normal. Criminals get all the breaks. The law abiding get nothing. This is insanity pure and simple.

  287. The mistake the home owner made was, he didnt’ kill the second guy and properly dispose of the bodies.

  288. I’m an opponent of gun control, and yet there’s some sense to this case. Killing someone for stealing may not be a reasonable response.

    Perhaps a law like Texas where killing anyone on your property without consent is legal would be OK if everyone knew ahead of time this was the case.

    How about allowing citizens to sue the state for failure to protect?

    JR

  289. This would be funny if it weren’t real. The people in England must be totally braindead. I guess that the lawmakers would prefer that the homeowner be murdered than defend his own property. This whole thing is completely wrong. The morons making the laws in England ought to be embarrssed.

  290. Sir,
    I read the story about the English farmer with some interest, as I am an avid supporter of our 2nd. Amendment rights. Even though I am very much against gun control, that doesn’t mean that I support the right to kill people unneccesarily.
    Unless the intruders were armed and an obvious threat to the farmer, just being thieves doesn’t warrent the death penalty. In his situation I would have held the gun on the intruders and phoned for police help. I don’t want to be robbed any more than the next guy, but you can replace your “stuff”.
    Thank you,
    Jim Wilkins
    Reston, VA

  291. Some sort of punnishment, but, not imprisonment, and for the burguler, tough noogies. I think that he should lose the right to sue over anything related to his crime.

  292. Hell no! Give the man a medal. If I did not already know this were true from reading the NRA First Freedom magazine I absolutely would not believe it. And this is what the liberals want us to become.

  293. When a government protects criminals and not law abidding citizens then the government has lost its right to exist. Unfortunately, the UK is 10 years in advance of what normally is adopted in the US. Hence, we can expect the same sort of thing here soon, indeed in NYC two cops were prosecuted for shooting a mugger who was beating an aged man. We have also seen the Constituion violated by allowing people to be tried twice for the same crime in the name of civil rights. The Uk has disarmed its people and in the process has a far higher crime rate than the US. Perhaps one in ten people there have been victims of criminals yet the British continue to allow the insane to run the asylum. Will it happen here? We elected Bill twice and New Yorkers elected Hillary despite all the evidence after he left office.

  294. My heart in the matter says that the home owner had the reason to defend his property and his life from intruders. I am shocked where the law is going in all murder cases. The set up seems to be everywhere that THERE IS NO JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE CASES any more. This means there is no justifiable reason for murder even if one’s wife or daughter is raped or murdered by someone else. The law feels that a citizen must remain in control regardless of the tramma involved.

    When a murder is committed the law is afraid that if people feel that killing or murder is justified, then no one is safe on the streets. The situation matters not in murder cases.

    This is and unfortunate attitude for some painful experiences, but certainly an understanding attitude in the eyes of the law. When one looses control and becomes judge jury and executioner on any issue, then society as a whole is at risk.

    It could even get worse. Suppose the home owner shot and hit an innocent lady on the street walking their dog? Would this be justifiable?

    For example if the home owner had held the intruder for the law with an ax, ball bat or someother means other then a gun shot, the home owner would still be free. Even if the home owner cold cocked the intruder with a string of sausages I don’t think the court would have said a word and the criminal would have received his due to the full extent of the law.

    The truth is that must people don’t see is both intruders lost their bill of rights to a fair trial and ended up dead instead.

    I think this is what the law sees in its judgement of murder cases. In these cases, it is rare that the trigger end of the gun goes free regardles what the situation is in a free society.

    You have seen that this even happens to our law inforcement officers as well.

    There is a fariffic responsibility behind pulling the trigger. In fact I can’t think of a case where a gun can be used in the city legally so why own a gun?

    It would appear that the law is ignoring the criminals that have been abused or murdered by citizens. But the law is trying to is defend the citizen that has had his bill of rights removed without a trial. If this person should happen to be a criminal rather then a victum the person behind the trigger dictates the laws policy here not the criminal. A free society just can’t have people waiving a smoking gum around saying they have the right to do this. The truth is they have no rights to do this. This doesn’t mean they can’t defend themselves another way besides murder.

    There is no justifiable excuse for murder. But something less then death for the intruder would be understandable to most jury members in the jury trial I think.

    I understand the law, although I don’t agree with the legal rulling always.

    It is true that if the landowner did nothing and he was murdered, then the criminal would face murder charges if apprehended.

    But the part where the citizen lives free and unmolested in a free society is in a horrible peril I feel. How to protect oneself just isn’t a clear issue at all. Perhaps deafening sirens alarms is the answer? The law would tell you to follow the criminals instructions. This seems to be a boarder line stupid this to do? What is the answer short of murder?

    Doc

  295. Would I sentence the man to life in prison. If I was in England the answer is yes. We have different laws in the US and different morals and beliefs. We cannot hold others to the beliefs and standards. If one country holds this out as justice who are we as a country to judge. Yeah it stinks for the land owner who was trying to protect his property, but he needs to understand what England determines as reasonable protection of property. That is his responsibility as a land owner.

  296. People have the ‘Right’ to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property. The various governments in the U.S. have been given the ‘responsibility’ of aiding the people in defending the aforemention right. Governments, and or the wordsmiths that have annointed themselves as the rulers of the people feel that it is the government who has ‘rights’. This is not true. The government has not ‘rights’, only responsibilties, and reasonable latitude to carry out those responsibilities. It my considered opinion that all gun control laws are illegal. In order to make them legal, the second amendment would have to be eliminated. This would in effect remove any and all ability of the people to protect themselves. A completely immoral situation.

  297. well, from reading all the replies I am assuming that either the readers are right wing or live in America? I am English and I work in the Crminal Justice System over here- specifically with kids who break the law. In my work I have seen and experienced some horrific and heinous crimes both perpetrated by the juvenile offenders and against them. Like or not England is not a ‘liberal’ country unless you are placing standards alien to us (by that i mean the more ‘conservative’/right wing/fundamental christian/ gun toting ones in the USA!)we have a rule of law over here that staes any REASONABLE FORCE may be used against a person who is commiting a crime against you. The man did not use reasonable force, he stepped outside the law and received punishment. Maybe it should not have been life imprisonment? well he took the gun and intended to use – mailce aforethought – he could have used a baseball bat or some other means, he also shot the young man in the back which to my mind means the young man was possibly trying to get away- if they are doing that you do in our law have the right to stop them WITH REASONABLE FORCE.

    I would also like to know where Mr Thomas J Jackson got his statistics about a ‘far higher crime rate’ in England – the worldwide statistics that i utilise in my work show that per capita the USA has one of the highest rates in the world. Our Murder statistics are also far lower than those of the USA and we have a much lower rate of juvenile crime – does Mr Jackson get his statistics from biased media?

    Please answer me if you think I am wrong -I am glad i live in England – and yes i have visited the USA many many timesand have also lived in other parts of the world – I am proud to be English and feel lucky that I live in a country where guns are illegal – the only thing that guns do are kill people – and no, i am not one of those ‘liberals’ that you talk about – i am from the military originally and have personally locked up a few violent offenders and faced down a few more.

  298. December 17, 2002

    I was especially struck by Pam Culpepper’s remarks “as a member of the criminal justice system in merry Olde England.” Her recourse of a “reasonable method” of stopping TWO criminals engaged in a “hot” breakin included a baseball bat, a stick, etc. How was Martin to know whether or not the criminal scum was armed? Second, Martin was outnumbered by 100 percent. Guess his Lordship felt that a senior citizen, outnumbered two to one, arrayed against potentially armed punks, could use a stick. Yeah, right! Armchair quarterback home defense, after the fact, is easy!!! I suggest that Tony Martin acted in a downright restrained manner: He stopped two punks engaged in a forcible felony. In Florida, that gives you the right to put as many holes in them as you wish…or until they quit. Thank god I live in Florida!!! Tell ya what: You stay in England (Where you are 6 times more likely to be mugged than in New York City)…and I will stay in Florida, where sanity still reigns and the Tony Martins of the world WOULD get that medal everyone else has suggested.

  299. http://reason.com/barry.shtml

    read what Dave Barry has to say about Ali, I tend to agree with him-not-you in this case. I don’t care what the man did in his personal life, his job was self-promotion, and he worked hard enough to be knocked stupid in the process. His position on the undeclared war in Vietnam was one of the many possible moral positions to take (which included going over there, too, IMO). Now he’s just an old has-been being played by a very-annoying actor in a movie that probably won’t make it very big because nobody much cares about ancient-boxing. So what? Evolution in action. (I’m working hard enough to ruin my liver!)
    JMR

  300. I am a Vietnam Combat Veteran.
    Personally I feel that if you are going to attack Ali then you also need to go after the low life draft dodgers who fled to Canada and then came back with not a thing happening to them. He at least had enough balls to accept prison for his beliefs.
    We also need to then nail the love children who smoked weed, partied and had a great time under the auspices of opposing the war. We died they partied. Of course now many of them have tried to become the friends of we Vietnam Veterans who were spit on when we returned. There are 38,226 dead …..They gave it all while these other cowards hid and still enjoy their freedoms without realazing what a gift has been given to them.
    Ali is one hell of a fine man. I respect him and he didn’t hid in another coutry and hide behind drugs to protest this war. I respect him and p…s on all of you Vietan War protestors. and draft dodgers..

  301. If someone wants a black role model, and insists he be an athlete, how about Michael Jordan, or better yet, Jackie Robinson? Now there was a man who broke down racial barriers while having to live with a baseball contract that actually forbade him to respond/fight back when white folks called him names, threatened him, or threw things at him. Yet because of him, generations of Black Americans have been able to play professional sports.
    Not a scientist or intellectual, but a good decent man who endured and triumphed in the face of racism.
    JDK

  302. First, let me say “Welcome back!”. Next, I’d like to thank you for voicing my feelings better than I ever could have. For years I’ve railed to anyone that would listen about honoring ppl for being able to throw a ball, run fast, or make hamburger out of someone’s face. These ppl aren’t doing their thing for the betterment of others, the’re out for the betterment of themselves. Let’s honor ppl that actually DO something to better our world.

  303. Ali has little to boast of and is not worthy of the honors being alloted to him. It is a sympton of society that those of true worth and merit are belittled by this man.

  304. Ali has little to boast of and is not worthy of the honors being alloted to him. It is a sympton of society that those of true worth and merit are belittled by this man.

  305. I agree with Greg(fuzzyfrog@2fords.net) but with an addition. Ali’s fame and gift for promotion has been/is being used to call attention to the very facts of his beliefs and plight, also to the fact that Muslims are people too. There is also the American part of Afro-Americans.

  306. Finally someone who thinks like I do. This gives me hope that not all America is crazy! I am totally outraged that Ali is pictured as an American hero! Keep up the good work!!!!!!

  307. I agree with just about everything you have to say about the negatives of setting a boxer / selfpromoter up as a cultural icon, but I must respectfully disagree with you about Ali’s military service or lack thereof.

    There was a well publicized penalty for not “volunteering” at the crutial moment in the induction service. Ali knew that price and willingly paid it. If the price was too low, that is America’s fault not his. I disagree with his decision, but it was his to make. Had I been on one of the boxing commissions that he had to go to to get his liscence back, I probably would have voted “No”, but “yes” can be as readily rationalized.

    Ali was a very good boxer with an overly loud mouth. He does not deserve the lionization he’s getting, but he doesn’t deserve to be dissed because of a descision of conscience for which he has paid society’s price,

  308. We will go after them too. As soon as somebody is short sighted enough to appoint them representatives of the USA. Get real

    “Personally I feel that if you are going to attack Ali then you also need to go after the low life draft dodgers who fled to Canada and then came back with not a thing happening to them. “

  309. Ali is a worthless piece of $hit. The only time he had any courage was in a boxing ring. Any one of the Viet Cong or NVA Regulars I helped kill in Vietnam were more of a man than he was. At least they were willing to fight and die for their country. By any measure of the word courage they had more of it than Ali did. Ali is $hit!

  310. Yeah,Ali is a hero to a lot of
    people. Why? He kept beating the odds, where he was suppose to lose, he won. Even
    when the goverment said he’d never box again, he did.
    I’m not a fan of the man or his outlook on life, and personally, I think he lost half the fights they say he won when he came back, but if
    I’m ever in a jam, the odds against me, I hope I can keep
    my chin up like he’s always seemed to.
    It’s always easier,I think, to bitch about the decisions other people a making, than it is to live in those same circumstances and do better.
    Over all I think the man, as a man, rates above average.

  311. At least Ali stood up to be counted when his turn came. Unlike certain hypocrits who failed to answer the call themselves, quietly, behind the scenes, often employing political influence from family or friends, while loudly decrying certain others of another political persuasion. Here’s the short list – if you want the facts behind the names, do some Google searches for yourself, there’s a thousand sites out there who can give you factual chapter and verse. And some of these guys did a little “double-dipping” hypocracy – impeaching the last elected President for Monica-hummers while they either had had full-blown adulterous affairs prior to or, in at least one instance, (Gingrich) at the very same time!
    So here’s the list of other “celebrity” draft dodgers of one sort or another: Oh, before that, let’s add this: One guy got into the Texas Air National Guard to avoid REAL military service in time of war, using his father’s intervention to enable him to leap over everyone else ahead of him on the list of other wannabe dodgers. He later asked for a transfer to Alabama to work on a political campaign, was granted it and then NEVER SHOWED UP! Yeah, it’s called AWOL. And if he had done it in the real military at the time it would have been called DESERTION. An offense punishable by death when found guilty by a Military Court Martial during a time of war. I’m sure his dad would have been able to get him out of that scrape, too, just like he had been doing for the little shrub all his adult life.
    Sorry for the digression; here’s the list:
    Elliot Abrams
    Dick Armey
    Bill Bennett
    Pat Buchanan
    George Walker Bush
    Dick Cheney
    Tom DeLay
    Newt Gingrich
    Phil Gramm
    Jack Kemp
    Rush Limbaugh
    Trent Lott
    P. J. O’Rourke
    Dan Quayle
    Pat Robertson (Daddy had him pulled out of Korea when shooting started)
    ‘Judge’ (and jury) Ken Starr
    John Wayne (say it aint’so!)
    Vin Weber
    George Will
    And if you want to flame me, in the interest of full disclosure: I’m a veteran of the Korean ‘War’ – enlisted at 17 and served 4 years.
    Peace…

  312. Linda Corbett: What is wrong with honouring Sport(wo)men? Do they not set a fine example to the youth of the day, the example of hard work to achieve something, not everyone has the ability to be a great doctor/scientist, in fact many people cannot even have an Original thought.Ali found a sport that he was good at, and exploited it for as much as he could get for it. O.K, he was doing things to better himself, which in turn helped his family and his employees, and millions of fans around the world. Yes they felt “betterment”, the people who watched him on TV (and paid his appearance fee) felt better after they had seen some good entertainment,after a hard days work, they probably felt better after seeing a good fight.

    Your post seems to be against all sportsmen, because they do not “better” the world, that may be your view, it is not mine. In that case why don’t we get rid of UN peace keepers, they certainly do not better my life, I have spent 3 out of the last 5 years on UN peacekeeping duties, and I did not enjoy it, people just killing each other for no apparent reason,
    the only time they stopped was to watch sport. Talk to them about football(soccer)and they would not shoot you in the back and they might just leave there compatriots alone.

    So please do not try to pretend that sporting heroes do not have a role to play

  313. Is Ali a hero? Not in my book. My brother had polio at the age of 5 (in 1941) that left his body in such a state that according to the doctors never would live to see 6 and then absolutely never would walk again without the aid of braces and crutches. He is now 54 years old and has worked all his life, never accepting handouts or welfare checks. He has a son he is putting through aviation school to be an airline pilot. Physically, he has taught me not to pity the physically handicapped but give them the tools and resources they need to be successful….you would be amazed at what they can accomplish. He has taught me much about myself without ever saying a word. What a man….what a HERO

  314. Ok, love the fact that ‘rage is back but. . . What’s the deal with the rant on Ali? Granted, the man is not the most positive of role models; but not sure why it’s upsetting a movie was made about him. If Jake LaMotta (sp) can have a movie about him in “Raging Bull”, then why can’t Ali? I think you could have picked a better rant.

  315. Hey, if you can promote yourself the way he did and make a living
    at it, why not? Ali was a capable boxer and he made the sport
    more exciting. As far as being a “conscientious objector”, it would
    seem that history has proven him right. We lost a war we didn’t belong in
    in the first place. There was a market for Ali’s ‘noise’ and there still
    is , look at the WWF. Calling him a ‘hero’ is over the top but calling him
    a sports legend isn’t.

  316. Muhammed Ali is a hero in every sense of the word. I’m a
    white Christian man and he’s one of my idols. The man,
    however, is only human, susceptible to temptation and
    mortality just like the rest of us. So he dodged the draft.
    Big deal. Bill Clinton did too. He was never even an
    enlisted man and yet became Commander in Chief. I would
    have dodged too. It is wrong, in a free country, for
    your government to tell you to do something or go to
    prison. That’s not freedom, it’s totalitarianism.

  317. America’s war on Vietnam was an appalling horror that left 4 million Vietnamese dead, mainly civilians. The use of chemical weapons (Agent Orange) polluted the entire country and many thousands of birth deformities have resulted ever since. That Cassius Clay refused to join in these crimes against humanity is arguably the greatest moral act of his life. Fighting for your country (even God’s favorite country, the USA!) is wrong if the war is wrong. It’s about time the US felt shame over its atrocities against third world nations.

  318. shut the up! is this what you people do all day is complain about people? you better not get paid to do this stuff! if this is your idea of funny, well it’s not. it’s just stupid and annoying. i thought it would be interesting and funny to read some rants but i didnt realize you were serious. i think you need to spend more time smoking pot and less time talking about how horrible the world is after all you are apart of it.

  319. Well, I think you were kind of hard on poor old Ali/Clay. The Ali probably is better, closer to alley, which is where he belongs. But I don’t believe in picking on individuals solely because of their life choices. As it is said – let him who is without sin cast the first stone. You shouldn’t try to dissuade those who worship Ali or his type. Another good saying is – who is the bigger fool, the fool or the one who argues with the fool!

    My heroes are the everyday people who go to work, give their employer everything they’ve got, come home and love on their family, contribute to their community thru service, donations and abiding by the law and not hurting other people. Its not enough to not hurt other people, tho, because even a hermit won’t be hurting other people, but neither is he helping them. We should all live by the code of service to others. We would have a much better world if we did.

  320. O.K. we know about Ali, what about the real crook, Don King? An underworld Kingpin who is routinley seen with the likes of celebrities.

    ???

  321. Ali was no hero, you are right. But he was good for boxing
    at the time. He was a ‘character actor and fighter.’ Only
    a good Heavyweight and moneymaker for his group.
    He would not have lasted 3 rounds with Joe Louis (a real
    hero,) or Jack Dempsey. But Ali was media bait and a
    good calling card. As are most of us, he was a mixture
    of both good and bad. I thought he pulled his time in
    prison, and that made me think more of him. I may buy
    your book anyway.

  322. It isn’t anything new, everyone is numb to idolizing
    heros that are drug addicts,
    alcholics,adulterers,etc.etc.
    Almost all public figures are morally corrupt, why pick on Muhammad Alli, when you have John Lennon, ex-President Clinton, Jane Fonda, Robert Downey Jr.,and all the women in show business who have babies out of wedlock. It is just the new moratlity, which is the old imorality we used to know. Now we just accept it, and if we start picking on one we have to dredge all the others out, it is endless and nothing is going to change now. These heros and heroines have been entrenched in our society and held up to admiration for too many years.
    Whole generations have grown up adoring the likes of Mohammad Alli, so why pick on him, he is not the problem.

  323. He’s a hero, because he’s a good role model, never mind the boxing part. Nobody’s perfect. As for the Muslim and the Vietnam arguments, that doesn’t convince me he’s not a hero. Vietnam shouldn’t have happened and everybody knows that.

  324. On the same vein, if I started a television channel and called it White Entertainment Television (for white people by white people, and it wasn’t just some piece of Klan propaganda crap), Would I be considered racist?

    More importantly, with Martin Luther King day almost upon us, who has reflected on that wonderful man who cheated on his wife, and would have had his doctorate rescinded for plagarism if he was white. If we are going to commit a single day to a person of the civil rights struggle, wouldn’t Roas Parks be a better choice? Now THERE is a hero, doing what she did out of righteous indignation, not to see how many television cameras she could get to focus in on her. Speaking of which…why does no one ever mention that Jesse Jackson was seen bathing himself in MLK Jr’s blood after he was shot to make himself look more impressive for the news media?

    And by the way, back to the original outrage. I want black kids to deify Ali, and not worry about those teachers and other educated people. If young black kids were exposed to true role-models like Colin Powell, and other upstanding citizens, there would be no one to give the welfare money to.

    Just a thought. I hope people read this column.

  325. You are all nuts!!!! In the first place what is a hero well for a real hero look to the rescue people of the World Trade Center, those who died and all the others who put there lives at risk to save the lives of thousands of people. To have less than 4000 dead is a true act of heroism. Not a two bit boxer.
    Secondly, Boxing is a barbarick sport, to make someone a hero or icon from this so call sport is wrong. Watching two grown or so called men punch each other senseless is retarted.
    As far as the Vietnam issue well forget it it is a non-issue, we had an ex-president who used every legal means to avoid the draft why should not have every american in that era have do the samething. Vietnam was wrong. We had no business being their. They did not attack us.
    Not only is Ali not a hero but he is not a role model. I would not want my 2 sons to grow up to be like him. Oh yes I am white I guess that makes me a racist, Not, I would critize him if he were any other race. If we do not agree then we are all racists, enough with that bull it is going to tear this great nation apart. Enough of the race card after all it got OJ off. He should be spending his time behind bars rather than on the golf course looking for the real killers. we need to idolize the right kind of people.

  326. To the guy who spoke about Colin (colon) Powell being a hero. HaHaHa!!! Murderous Coward would be more appropriate. Master of George Bush’s Oil Propaganda.I ‘am an African-Native American and Colin Powell Nor Rosa Parks of the Rockerfeller Group could ever represent me. If told Colin would without hesitation drop a bomb on his mother in his native Jamaica. As for Rosa, She did what the Internationalist Bankers told her to do, Good Girl.Vietnam , The War for the rubber Conglomerates BF Goodrich and The Firestones. Thanks but No Thanks to Vietnam. No Kissinger and Brezenski wars for me. As for Ali, He is a hero for those who choose him, in the way of Ring Skills,Charity and the World Loves Him. We should never make Hero’s out of any Celebrity, Polititian,Sports Figure. Peace & Love

  327. wow,how wonderful that everyone can have such differing views and not come to blows. fantastic. that’s exactly what our founding fathers envisioned for this fledgling country. an arena that promoted dissension and rebellion when needed. and , we could say that mr. ali was a rebel. only he and God know for sure what was in his heart at that time. and all of us can only make guesses at what was in his heart. as believers in the gospel of Jesus Christ that is ultimately the only that matters, i think i am right about that. i would ask that here at Christmas time that we might all lay down our worldly passions and consider if mr. ali is a saved man or not. i don’t know. after you take away of the hype and sensation the man has created here on earth in his time, that my friends is but a fleeting moment in the whole scheme of things , and goes for me and you as well. it could be that mr.ali gives thanks to God each day for another day of life and we should as well. it’s easy for us to get all fired up about someones affairs. i honestly believe in the end, the only affair we ought to be concerned with is our own. somehow i believe in a very naive sort of way that if that were the case, everyone taking care of their own affairs they might observe a higher degree of dignity and just not do the things that are detrimental to them or their loved ones.
    well, it’s just a thought..
    merry christmas to all the readers and ranters out there. we really do have something to look forward to, and it may be closer than we know.

  328. If Ali isn’t a hero because he did not serve in Vietnam then I guess Dubya isn’t one either. At least Ali went ot jail when He choose not to serve. All Dubya did was protect Texas from Mexican invasion in th eTexas National Gaurd.

  329. Congratulations on a succinct observation of how US society places f£%wits on pedestals.

    But then again, who says you need to be a “hero” to light the flame? I think the sympathy for his condition is the main drawcard here. I doubt he would have lit the flame if he hadn’t Parkinson’s.

    I believe – in fairness though, that he did have the choice to go to ‘nam or jail, and he chose the latter. He shouldn’t be criticised for that.

  330. A racist muslim conscienciosly objecting to war but makes a living through fighting and beating on a fellow man. I see a great paradox in the tenents he preaches. Ali is not a hero, but a self promoting thug. A current example would be with the great skill and loud mouth of Randy Moss, if he decided to stay out of the current military actions due to “I have no quarrel with the Al Quiada!” You tell me he’s your hero, and I will think that you have low expectations of yourself.

  331. Anyone who condemns Ali for the life he has led is blind to the world of SHOWBIZ! He promoted himself well…he was a promotion king…not many people could sell themselves like he did.
    Anyway…you people idolize your movie stars and pop stars as if they themselves are heros…is it because most of them are white and you feel that this qualifies them to be exempt from attack.
    The judge of Ali is non-other than himself and God. Ali did not hurt anyone who did not consent in some way to be hurt. There are worse out there.
    Let’s remember Hitler…who is still deemed a hero, but is he? Yes, to some he is. A hero is a personal experience…it is personal choice who one decides should be their hero or role model.
    Ali is a GOOD role model for black and white children, in that he had the balls to go out there and achieve his ambitions…unlike some sad dimwit, lazy b***ards who sit on their arses in this world doing nothing special with their lives…except watching television and hunting for po*n. Yes, you know who you are! Ali was and is a bright star. He is unique and he has achieved something some of you sad people will never achieve. Ali is a SOMEBODY, and some of you have a problem with that.
    What’s the matter? Nobody ever pay you the kind of attention he gets?

  332. “. . .And of course, we know now that Muslims don’t really believe in violence – even the ones that throw punches for a living – so we can’t fault the greatest for living in splendid luxury while his countrymen ducked bullets in the Mekong Delta.”

    What’s that supposed to mean? Taking potshots at a celebrity is one thing but to DEPRECATE A WHOLE RELIGION

  333. Ali summed it all up when he said no Viet Cong ever called me nigger, What black American in their right mind, would fight for a country that has so oppressed them,Your article is typical of the jingoistic chest beating of most Americans,More people should make the same stand as ali and shout out loud that the emperor has no clothes

  334. The man you have just refered to is my cousin. i do belive his is a hero . in a time when america was at war he stood for what he belived and america punised him for that i have spoken to him and he is extermely nice and anyone who says otherwise does not know what they are talking about. he went from being brke to using his God given talents or in his prespective his Ala given talents to make money and anyone in the same situation would have done the exact same thing so would you. on on what happened on 9/11 he had nothing to do with it they were only members whose opinions do not stand for everyone. i mean what about the white men who do terrible acts the Oklahma City bombing,Coulumbine,and the Texas Chainsaw murderer no one mentioned their religions so why should we.

  335. I have a few things to express here…… First off, I commend anyone brave enough to say “f%#$ off” to the money grubbing sh$#piles that sent 60,000 young men to die in a war we had no place in. Fueled by propaganda and lies, the Vietnam war was a serious stain on the history of this country. It was and is the most blatent example of our wretched government exerting ill will on the people of this country. Does anyone rememeber the crowds of protester’s getting gassed, beaten and jailed while exercising a constitutional right? I certainly do. And who turned out to be right in the end? Certainly not our government.

    Second, to talk s*%t about Ali is completely ridiculous, the man broke down the walls. And he is exemplery of everyone who has made this country what it is. Dont leave it to those in power, leave it to those on the outside merely hoping for a chance to get in. The people that rose above themselves and their surroundings in the name of justice, integrity, fairness, equality and self-expression have shaped this country, not our damned government.

    You call out against Ali because he said hell no to fighting a completely fake war…..hmmmmmmmm,……Does anyone remember MLK speaking out against the war? Unamerican? go back to your conservative hellhole of greed, glutony, power and guilt. Till the nest Iran/Contra scandel…..whoops too late, its Enron
    Check your damn head before you decide what you think is American and what is not. I promise you it has nothing to do with ANY politician since FDR.

  336. Oh, and by the way……for anyone who wants to degrade MLK for tales of personal trials and tribulations…..YOUR A MORON. MLK had a pair of nuts larger than your ego and ignorance in a moronic brace of passion. I am sick and tired of hearing anyone drag that name around with comments on possibly the one and only thing he did (which has no g*&damned affect on you in the first place) and discredit possibly the biggest, best and unforgetable movements in our countries history. Yeah, thank god he was reported to cheat on his wife. I would hate to have to listen and learn from a man with indomitable will and utter fearlessness when most in his position would merely accept their roles as a cog. I would absolutely loath learning from his non-violent activism, absoutely hate learning about the changes he has made in this country.

    how stupid do you have to be, NO HUMAN HAS EVER BEEN PERFECT, but some have done a hellavu lot more to make this world a better place. Your high horse is drowning in elitism and fear. Go back to the pedastal you shout from, and ride away in your SUV.

    Good day

  337. Ok, I read another post about the damn vietnam shame we have. I dont care for you being a vet, it is not my fault you bought into lies. If we were really fighting communism, Russia would have been the fight, not a poor third world country we had no place in.

    Second, I applaude any and all who dodged the damn draft. They didnt want to go kill women, babies, and a faceless enemy. How moronic of them huh? What an absolute blight on our existance. And by the way, these people smoked pot, had fun and turned their heads from an oppresive, evil empire we call the government. At least they had enough balls to have fun, at least they didnt kill anyone. How did it feel to pump that machine gun??? How did it feel to fight for freedom and democracy? What a joke, i feel sorry for you

  338. Just think, when Mike Tyson retires, American people can put him on a pedestal too!! Heroes of a truly warped nation.

  339. Hero is a big word and reserved for those who risk all so that something larger may exist as a result of their sacrifice.
    Ali is an icon who has represented change and resistance to oppression; for this Ali deserves recognition and consideration but not Hero status.
    Being that Black Men existed in disproportionate numbers during the Vietnam conflict Ali’s statement as a conscience observer or any other form of protest and/or resistance by anyone was a pertinant stance.Alas,Ali’s no Hero but he comes damn close.
    The Hero’s of today are Parents who raise their children with good intent and morals, who do sacrifice their lives so that a better existance may be had by their beloved offspring.
    On this level Ali, I’m certian, is a hero to his children and all that gained from his actions or inactions. So, a text book Hero he is not but a man who gave his all for what he new to be right gives him visiting rights to the Hero club.

  340. your outrage on ‘mohammed ali’ was right on the money. he’s the one who started this whole big- mouth bragging attitude so prevalent with today’s athletes, and i’m just totally sick of it. where do you think these gangsta rappers and braggarts in music got it started?

    whatever happened to athletes with class, character, and dignity? ali was at his best a good boxer. but never was there a more overrated one. the reason he was so widely known is because of that big fat trap of his, which led to wide sales in the media. obviously, the guy’s punch drunk, and alas, thank god we don’t have to hear his big friggin’ mouth anymore.

  341. I don’t understand how Ali can be honored to light the Olympic torch when his comments about his hatred of color-less people and his unsportsmanlike behavior was far worse than anything John Rocker ever said or did…and Rocker is lower than whale crap now and will never recover….

  342. wow, i applaud you for speaking your mind, butyou have to realize that you sound pretty ignorant and even racist. Just because a muslim slams their plane into the WTC does not mean muslims because that this is right. I bet Timothy McVeigh was christian but you dont hear about the pope trying to bomb a building in Oklahoma City. And the part where you try to cover your own tail about how you can’t disparage Ali because he is blackis the most racist part of all. I didnt even read most of your article but these faults were so apparent i thought you should hear what i have to say

  343. Unforutnetly on a page where “rage” is the standard this might not go over well, but first off, lets go by common sense here..
    Was Ali a good sports role model? No… he promoted and bragged. and no matter how many matches he won, thats not good. Want proof? Look what its done to proffesional sports today.

    Was Ali a good role model for children? NO.. self promotion, and bragging are not what anyone wants to instill in their children. And with out instruction thats what they are most likely to notice in this day and age.

    Was Ali a good role model for adults? YES.. he stood for what he believed right or wrong and worked hard to obtain his goals and stand for what he believed. (the distinction has to be made between adults and kids)

    Should have Ali joined the military? We can’t know his heart so we can’t know the answer, if he did it to protest the war then YES, but if he did it simply to avoid service then NO.

    Should he have been allowed to box again? NO. If he broke the law and did not join the war to protest the he would have to accept all the consequences, including no longer boxing. HOWEVER.. Money is americas true god, and any half-concious buisness man knew enough to let him box again, he brought money to the sport.

    Did Ali being black have anything to do with whether he was a good person? NO. (no explanation should be required)

    Did Ali being muslim have anything to do with his being a good person? I don’t know… ask god, hes the ONLY one who knows.

    Was Ali a bad influence or a good one? Tell ya what.. go look in the mirror and think of everything you’ve done in your life. Which are you? The only difference is that Ali chose a profession and lifestyle where millions saw what he did. If millions could see your life, what would they say?

  344. Ali was a great man! All you people who dislike him and call
    him bad are stupid. Ali was a humantarian who helped millions
    of children and people, he didn’t fight in Vietnam because he
    didn’t care about it, which is good, he was drafted and was to
    be forced to go fight for his life.

    Also the Vietnam war is an excellent example of american
    stupidity. You americans didn’t even know where Vietnam was
    or pick it out on a map for that matter. And you americans claim
    that you were there to save the people from communists, if
    thats the case and you really care about people then why
    didn’t you americans go to africa where millions of people die
    everyday or take the trade embargo of Iraq which has thousands of
    people a year dieing from starvation since the US imposed it.

  345. *First they came for the Communists,
    and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn’t speak up,
    because I wasn’t a Jew.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn’t speak up,
    because I was a Protestant.
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time there was no one
    left to speak up for me.

    — Rev. Martin Niemoller, 1945
    -on the Nazi’s and there right wing movement

  346. First of all, I’m here to tell it like it is! Ali was able to get away with dodging the draft and being able to box again was because he was “black” no two ways about it! The blacks are the most pampered race in America! Period! Anyone that doesn’t believe this than I’ll give you proof, Pete Rose got caught gambling on baseball and was wrongly banned from playing forever. He’s white by the way! Ali, by dodging the draft, did a far worse thing than Pete Rose did!
    John Rocker told it like it is and got into a lot of trouble. I’m surprised he didn’t get banned from baseball for life for telling the truth about blacks and minorities! OJ Simpson got away with murdering two white people. But you know he loves those serrated edge knives!
    He’s black too!
    For anyone who wants to call me a racist for posting this truth laden message, I’ve got a question for you. What’s a racist? A race car driver?!
    To anyone dumb enough to think we should use our tax money for helping the stupid AIDS laden, monkey butt holing ubangees in Africa, I can think of a hundred better ways to use that money! They brought it on themselves and no matter how much we try to educate them they’ll never learn not to eat monkey brains or butthole them! They also will continue to proliferate over there in Africa. They do the same thing
    here in America! Now we have the boys from Sudan here in America! I guess our wonderful leaders think it’s alright to let those AIDS laden pukes come over here!

  347. I don’t care what or who ALI is. I simply don’t like what he says. I find him to be self centered Its all about me me me. what has he done for people other than taught them to beat the h*** out of others? we should honor those who have really done something. Venetta Flowers first black american to win a gold medal in the winter games. Halli Berry first black female american to win an acadamy award. Denziel Washington won the same night for best actor first time in history two black americans took top honors.Those my friends are worth telling about. Not about some boxer that has such a big head on his shoulders he can’t get through the door.I think the HONOR of lighting the flame should have gone to Marion Jones or FLO-JO’S husband to light it in her favor.

  348. This is for “BASED ON FACT”, are you a redneck racist? were you abused as a child? called ugly and never smiled?

  349. This is for “BASED ON FACT”, are you a redneck racist? were you abused as a child? called ugly and never smiled?

  350. i dont know ali that much, but he did a lot of great things. some of the things that i just read about were so bad. ‘ OHHH, he just got attention because hes black and knocked people around the ring.” well shut up. there arent many people who are able to do this. If you can, than i think that you should start your own arguement about you being so great. oh ya, ali played the flute!!!

  351. Blacks are America’s most pampered race? Let’s think about that. Think about the history of blacks only for a minute. First, they were enslaved. Slavery is no big deal, I mean, there is nothing wrong with treating people like objects. Blacks suffered years and years of lynching and other hate crimes that still happen today. Also, there is that whole thing about blacks not getting a fair trial, and still is some cases, not getting one today. But that whole “justice” thing isn’t that important either right? Sounds like an easy life to me. Blacks are still treated unfairly in America today, and yes, perhaps there is some reverse racism at times, but comparing Ali to John Rocker is shear stupidity.

  352. when i read the original article it made me sit and think quite hard.The only things that i knew about Ali were things that someone had told me. Ali was his hero in the boxing ring ,but, outside of it he thought that Ali was nothing.
    I went and read alot more about Ali and i admire him for standing up for what he believed in even though it cost him his dreams.
    He did what he thought was right and treats others the way that he ,himself would like to be treated -and whats wrong with that?Ali went through things that everybody had to go through -its called growing up!
    Its easy to make judgements on the decisions that other people make -whether he was right or wrong at the end of the day doesnt change what has already been done.Ali is the one that has to live with the choices that he made and if he has no regrets for living his life the way that he did then so be it .
    Ali makes me think of how not to let others make decisions and how to keep on going even when everybody is against you. He reinforces the images i have of my grandfather who although not a famous figure was a solid and steady influence and both are inspirational to me.He showed me that you need to keep it true for yourself because their are too many people that are prepared to use you in any way that they can and if you dont stand up for yourself -no one else will!

  353. Blacks have a huge athletic advantage over white people because they have astronomically large nostrils!
    It helps to have nostrils that
    large so more air goes into their lungs when they’re running from the law after stealing a DVD player or a TV!
    Or, as in OJ’s case, running from the law after murdering two white people!
    AHHH… Blacks, the pampered race!

  354. In responce to the email of Ali’s cousin .
    I have been searching for a dear freind Karen Clay who is also Ali’s cousin she was living in NY around 1994.
    I am back in the states and would love to contact her !1

  355. Of Course, how naive of us all. It’s obvious that somebody who has managed to conquer the glode in their chosen profession, be it sporting or otherwise, should take a back seat to another who’s greatest achievement is to have a shot at anyone else who has managed to increase his own sense of ineptness. Rather than poking the satire stick, why not try and achieve something of your own?? Who knows, you might find you like it.

  356. Get rid of the Electoral College?!? Are you *NUTS*?!? After the absolutely incredible rest of this Outrage, you must be joking…

    As was clearly demonstrated in this election — check out USA Today’s “mandate map” — if not for the Electoral College, a person could win the presidential election if they spent their entire campaigns in L.A., San Francisco, New York, and a very few other urban areas. The bulk of the country in every sense other than how many people vote still did not equal Al Gore’s vote in those few urban areas.

    So, if you never want to see a president or presidential candidate again outside of L.A., New York, and San Fran; if you want most of the country to be disenfranchised; get rid of the Electoral College.

  357. Gore, the “green” candidate?
    Great, just what we need– a president who values saplings more than human infants.
    Of course, it would be more dire if he actually practiced what he preached.
    The “greenest Candidate:
    1)Has (as part of a gladhand backroom deal) a permanent seat on the Board of Occidental Petroleum
    2) Also owns farmland— and the zinc mine under it, which is rated as the worst polluter in the state, due to river contamination by mine tailings
    3)Talks a lot about “whacko tobacco”– yet owns a tobacco farm himself.

    4)claims to have had “an integral role” in creating the internet (“I was in the room ! Me too, me too !”) yet would have devastated the fossil fuel industry– which is the cheapest, most efficient, and increasingly cleaner source for our nation’s electricity, and DUH, is therefore the main source for our vital electric power supply.

    Thank GOD that treestump with legs was thwarted.

  358. Quite well done, except the unfortunate snipe at the electoral college. The thought that a few population centers could determine who our president will be is a particularly loathsome thought. And I am unclear on the nexus between what not riding a horse to work, using an outhouse rather than indoor plumbing, or employing slaves on the farm, has to do with the merits of the electoral college. The value of the electoral college, in my estimation, is measured according to its integral role in sustaining the structural integrity of the Constitution. Separation of Powers, federalism, and bi-cameralism and presentment, are the principal structural components of the Constitution. We might just as well do away with the “advice and consent” by the Senate provision of the Constitution as do away with the electoral college if indoor plumbing is your concern. As a reinforcement for federalism, the electoral college serves the valuable purpose of safeguarding legitimate states’ rights while erecting a barrier against pure democracy, which, with the Founders, I consider to be the worst form of government. It may be that the electoral college will become archaic, but that will only occur when our Constitution becomes archaic in the minds of the citizens. Let us hope that day does not come.

    Regards,

    –Brian Fahling

  359. The only people who wanted Dumbo Gore to win are those who sponge off the government all their life with every entitlement they can get.

    My companion runs several apartment houses in the L.A. area and she tells me over 90% of the tenants line up at the mail box[es) each month waiting for their government checks to pay the rent, buy the groceries, buy the kids’ braces, and fill their teeth from eating all the free government food. Only a very small percentage “work” for any extra money.

    It is the same in apartment buildings all over L.A. So don’t give me that Socialist crap that Gore should hve been elected. Just thank God he wasn’t.

    So don’t give me any of this outrage stuff. Gore and Clinton tried to “fix” the elction in Floirida and it backfired…

  360. First, thank goodness for the electoral college!
    The potential for massive voter fraud in the densely populated (and Democratic controlled) metropolitan areas of the country, would guarantee no Republican would ever be elected in such a polular national daily opinion poll known as the election.
    You think Bill Daley can steal an election now, just imagine if there were no electoral college to inhibit him!
    Secondly, your point about Al Gore losing his “home” state of Tennesse raises two issues. One, if he only carried his old home Congressional District, he’d have carried Tennesse and thus the Florida vote irregularities would have been a news worthless footnote to the coronation of ALGORE.
    Two, you could say Gore certainly did carry his real home state… of Washington DC.

  361. Bush won 30 states (including Tennesee, the people who knew Gore the best. Gore won the popular vote because he won in a few large metropolitan areas with large minority populations. Why would we want to change the electoral college system? Would we really want our president chosen by the few large metropolitan areas, instead of by the majority of the states?

  362. Explanation of the Electoral College for the Stupid:

    Visualize yourself in the future. You are a resident of what the big cities refer to as “flyover” country– you know, the unimportant 90% of the nation that grows the crops, raises the cattle, mines the coal and the iron, and essentially does all the little things that make it possible for useless people to live comfortably in the major cities.

    It’s election year… and all the national candidates have essentially said (as they have said for SEVERAL elections) “screw you” to the breadbasket of the nation. They couldn’t give a flying fart on a greased trapeze whether you vote, pally.

    Why?

    Because there are more voters in New York City alone than there are in half your state.

    Ain’t the popular vote wonderful? Sure is, so long as you live in a city– and so long as you don’t mind the idea of the most powerful people in the nation catering solely to the whims of New York, Miami, Los Angeles and Dallas.

    Yes, the Electoral College doesn’t cater directly to the whims of “the people”… precisely to keep the “people” from impulse-electing Adolph Hitler or Daffy Duck.

    Til they start growing wheat on asphalt, dimwits, you’d better hope they keep the electoral college.

  363. Great outrage with one exception, get rid of the electoral college, no way. I don’t want the next President elected by the people of NY, CAL, ILL and a few other big liberal states. Obviously and thankfully the founding fathers had more sense than the writer of this article.

  364. The ancient Romans often resorted to “manual recounts” when the vote was very close. A voter would generally cast his ballot by tossing a pottery shard into a pile for the candidate he desired — the candidate with the most shards won. The problem was that sometimes the shards broke, so the vote wasn’t always accurate. Ergo, when the vote was very close the officials in charge of the voting could (and often would if the winner according to the first count wasn’t to their liking) conduct a “recount” by calling the voters back in and asking each one to identify the candidate for whom he had intended to vote.
    Unfortunately, sometimes by the time the recount was conducted one or more of the voters had been executed (usually by hanging) for some crime. When this happened the officials could hire a haruspec (soothsayer) to divine the deceased voter’s intention by watching the way his dead body swung from the scaffold. This was referred to as a “hanging shard.”

  365. After watching the voting patterns of the Afro-American
    community, I’d have to say that what we need is a constitutional amendment to retake the vote away from them.

    For I have come to believe that it is genetically impossible for someone of the Negro race to cast an intelligent vote.

    And as for the much-maligned Jim Crow laws, I don’t think ol’ Jim was all that bad after all!

  366. I loved THE FINAL OUTRAGE!, but had one problem with it. In Point 24 you commented: “The Electoral System – Do you still ride your horse to work? Use an
    outhouse rather than indoor plumbing? Employ slaves on your farm? Probably not, but we do still use an electoral system designed over 200
    years ago to protect states rights. Of course, at this point in the game, the system of electing a president with the Electoral College is
    completely pointless, adding endless complexity to what should be a simple calculation.” That isn’t quite true. In the national election of November 7, 2000, the electoral college did exactly what it was designed to do, which was put one more barrier in the way of would-be demagogues who would play on public fears and greed (“entitlements,” anyone?)and other less-than-objective states of mind to push their own agenda rather than what was good for the nation. Considering that Jesse Jackson, who is clearly a demagogue, and a very dangerous one, was supporting Al Gore and also pushing “one man, one vote”, “the will of the people,” etc., and probably also knew of all the ballot-stuffing on the part of the Democrats that seems to have gone on in this election, I’d say we lucked out that though Bush lost the popular vote (though he may not have; see that remark on ballot-stuffing, above, he won in the electoral college, while Gore lost. Between the electoral college and judges of conscience, dedication, and (dare we say it?) patriotism in the Supreme Court, we aren’t going to have Gore running the country, for which, thank God. (One other thing: the office of president wasn’t supposed to be that of kingship. The president was supposed to greet foreign dignitaries, head up the military, and act in national emergencies as general executive — but not much else. It was Congress who was supposed to make the law, and the Supreme Court, to interpret it. But today _Hoi polloi_ seems to believe that the president somehow is supposed to fulfill all three of those functions, all by himself — and Herr Clinton took tremendous advantage of that public civic ignorance, passing Executive Order after EO as if they were supposed to have the force of law all by themselves, and otherwise playing _very_ fast and loose with the Constitution as well as this country’s future. Pleae let’s not junk _anything_ that stands between this country and total mobocracy! The electoral college was designed to represent regional interests and what was best for people in those regions, which the “one-man-one-vote” school cannot do. Different regions have different needs. And do remember Article 9 of the Bill of Rights, please, okay?)

  367. You guys are great! I agree with everything you said. I couldn’t have said it better myself. While all the recounting and lawsuits were going on, I was glued to CNN…I hated myself, but couldn’t stay away from the tv. I had to know what rule of law they were going to change next. I was never disappointed. I’m glad it’s over, and that Bush won. Now someone needs to sue CNN for starting the whole mess by announcing Gore had won Florida before all the poles were closed……Do you wonder why they did it? I do.
    Sherrell Broam

  368. GREAT OUTRAGE. GREAT COMMENTS.
    This is NOT a democracy, it is a Federal Republic, Thank
    God. We still need our Electorial College, and ‘one man,
    one vole, is stupid. There should be qualifications for
    voting, just as there are for many other requirements for
    different things, such as there used to be to become
    american citizens.

  369. Great Outrage! Great comments! We do need our
    Electorial College though, and SOME requirements for
    voters; as we used to have to become American Citizens.
    This is NOT a democracy, (Mob Rule), but a Federal
    Republic. Thank God. The Democrates tried to steal
    Florida, and just barely missed it.

  370. No! Don’t allow The Outrage to end — there are far too few voices of sanity in this insane world. Please keep up the great work in 2001, and beyond!

  371. Pretty good summary, but one twist of this ironic plot was missed. Judge Sauls USED to be the chief Judge in Tallahasse (not a Supreme, but a high post nonetheless). He was demoted by this very Florida Supreme court for “inapropiate” behaviour towards employees and fellow judges. Perhaps there was truth to it, or perhaps it was another sleazy way to remove someone to sneak in a buddy. Either way, THIS is the REAL reason Saul’s judgement was so particularly vehement.
    Source: former Fl Supreme Judge Kogen, now chair of my Alma Matter’s Law School, the U. of Miami (which, BTW is NOT in Miami, but in Coral Gables, 5 blocks from my house). The REAL u. of Miami is in Ohio?
    If anyone ever questioned if God has a sense of ironic humor, this election ought to settle it!
    JR

  372. If we should elimnate states rights by eliminating the electoral
    collage, sould we also eliminate the Senete?

    Wait, then Hillary would be out of a job.

  373. The campaign continues! Personally, I think Ralph Nader is correct
    in stating we only have one party. With absolutely no enthusiasm, I
    voted for Gore. But, no matter how you look at this, half the country was
    for the other guy. Whoever defaulted into the presidency and his
    supporters, are going try to make a draw look like a mandate.
    I don’t think it is going to work. George “Whippersnapper” Bush faces
    the same problem as Al “Robotman” Gore would have had to contend
    with: no one really knows who won, which is going to leave the
    “chosen” very, very vunerable, and the media ain’t gonna be fair!
    The real test is this: if Mr. Bush can be enough of a statesman and
    exhibit enough wisdom to be re-elected in 4 years, then the right man
    will have be given the presidency.
    get re-elected in four years,

  374. this is america. a nation with a past filled with wonderment and glory.
    a nation seemingly protected by the hand of the creator himself. look how
    the nation faired through such horrific global spasms such as ww 1 and ww 2.
    when one peers through the looking glass in retrospect there
    is obvious grand scale achievement that america was able to deliver in those
    situations. i believe solely as a result of public display of belief in a
    higher power, aka the God of the Bible, america was destined to lead the
    world to a higher standard. the 20th century was good to america in terms
    of accomplishment, but terrible in terms of direction.
    to use a trite phrase, “america has loss it’s moral footing”. now, being a
    student of historical study, and of the word of God, i am not igornant to
    the designs laid out by individuals down through history.
    the names of these people could fill volumes of library books. some of them
    have held high public offices in this country and they go all the way back
    to the birth of this nation. but, again the hand of God has always been
    there to foil their plans. i could site some instances for that, but in the
    interest of space i will not. but, nearer to the point i will say that in
    this day and age we are still being attacked from within by these lost souls
    bent on taking this country to a lower level of existence. for the life of
    me , i can’t comprehend why, but, the evidence is there. i seriously doubt
    that these kinds of minds have a rational expectancy of the final outcome of
    their actions. but, nevertheless, they have seized power in this country
    and continue to operate behind the closed doors of our nations capital.
    they are planning as i write this piece to continue to chip away at our
    established framework of government by implementing a new more “modern”
    method for voting. this will further their plans for gloabalism, and
    continue to eviserate our “the people’s” rights of ownership of our very own
    country. i believe the very heart of our system is at stake. i am talking
    about the electronic voting system now being planned for implementation
    before the next national election. if this system is put into place, we can
    kiss honest elections goodbye forever. nothing would make them happier.
    the great experiment will have been brought to a close. the founding
    fathers would no doubt be “outraged” if they could be witness to this. the
    next step is to coerce the unsuspecting population to adopt a global
    constitution. well, it may not be the exact next step, but it is coming.
    americas’ dominance in the world is being challenged without a shot being
    fired. the founding fathers were just tolerant of other belief systems.
    this can be verified by reading what they said about other religions. they
    held unanimously that Christianity was the very best system of belief, and
    decades and a couple of centuries we have been ambassadors to the rest of
    the world.
    our ministers and missionaries have carried the light into the dark corners
    of the world. and, we were held in high esteem. but, now we have traded
    the “good book” for the “accounting book”. every thing is about money and
    how to make more, and to employ unjust weights and measures is of no
    consequence. so, our choices seem to have been made and our path chosen.
    our soverignty is being challenged along with our dominance in the world and
    we are a critical time when there certainly needs to be a moral force
    standing strong in this world if ever there needed to be one. this letter
    may sound a little fundamentalist, but that’s okay. i just have a strong
    constitution about the word. God said in the old testament,II Chronicles,
    7:14, that his people should pray and turn from their wicked ways, and he
    would hear their prayers, and heal their land. what have we got to lose at
    this point? all this stuff about diversity and tolerance is not working.
    there has to be a black and white, wrong or right stance taken before we go
    down so far, we can’t climb up out of the sewer. so , a few people get
    their feeling hurt, big deal. i have had my feelings hurt, i got over it.
    i am more concerned about my feelings on that day that every human being
    knows in their heart of hearts is coming, the day of judgement. on that
    day, all our liberal , marxist, communist souls are going to cry out,
    something about , “i didn’t know any better”. ” too bad, my son, you had
    the same opportunity to read what i say about that also, why did’t you read
    it?”
    just don’t fall in to that trap is my advice, and you probably don’t want
    it, but there it is.
    we need to come out of this fog into the light and throw off these shackles
    of dependency on some other man to make our lives better. they will never
    do it for us. we have to take control of our lives with the assistance of
    the Creator and praise him for all that we have. to thank the government
    for that is nuts.
    so, this is my 10 cent thought on it. i am glad to be alive in this age,
    for i feel it is the most exciting time in history. my fears are given over
    to comfort for i know whom the true king is and he shall not falter or
    disapoint us that believe.

    thank you.

  375. I don’t know why everyone assumes that if Nadar hadn’t run Gore would have gotten all of his votes. I HATE both major political parties, so I voted for Nadar because I thought that he had the best chance of getting 5% of the popular vote. But if I had to pick Gore or Bush, I’d pick Bush.

  376. I strongly urge that you continue to promulgate the “Outrage.” Not only is each outrage discussed eye-opening and mind-boggling, but the style of writing is exceptionally witty and talented. Wishing you a Happy 2001 (with many more columns.)

  377. PAUL’S OPINION ON #24
    WRONG-WRONG-WRONG!!! First – COMPLEXITY–> Can you imagine
    what it would be like if you had a close election and one party
    wanted to “recount” the ballots in the whole country! Seems to me
    the present system is much simplier than you would get then!

    Second – POINTLESS–> Is it smart to give most of the political
    power to the huge population centers, where some of us would
    contend, resides large segments of uneducated, simple minded,
    yellow dog voting habit, and/or masses of people with low morals.

    I believe that as a general rule, country people in low population
    states, are nicer and of a higher morality, than the inner city
    people. We should never allow a situation where low population
    areas are completely ignored by the polititions. –> PAUL’S OPINION.

  378. To the 49.2% of the population that voted for Gore, put
    your hands back down! Most of you only held them up
    so that the government could put something in them.
    Are you really that much in favor of a failed welfare
    system, corrupt executive branch, and your President
    blatently lying to your face that you wanted part II of it?
    Wake up!

    Thank god for the electoral college. If nothing else,
    it thwarted the welfare vote.

  379. I am a happy Libertarian when I read supporting remarks for
    our Republic’s use of the Electoral college – Yes, our
    federal gov’t is allowed to do a FEW things: It was NOT
    formed to babysit, but to establish post offices, raise and support an army and navy, and to declare war, protecting our national DEFENSE.
    About Algore being “the most focused environmentalist”
    HA! When addressed by a young audience on MTV during the campaign, he was asked, “Which do you prefer – Paper or plastic?” The guy looked absolutely stumped and replied, “I like paper myself.” No reason…no comparison…no science..no nada. Has the man stepped into a grocery store in the last 15 years?…EVER? I doubt it.
    About third party candidates getting other candidates elected…this is
    the communal, socialist persuasive tone given to us ALL who declare our preference for another besides
    Rep. or Dems…We are a nation who forgets what happened 5 years ago…and can’t possibly think that maybe, just maybe – to get change in this nation…it might take more than THIS election to get it done…It took women 80 years of active
    battle to gain the right to vote…How about if all those women just laid down and said,
    “Forget it…it won’t happen THIS year so I’ll just give up.”
    THe turn to socialism started with social security and mandatory public education and has been on the rampage ever since…to reverse this will take every free citizens’ awareness and the right to vote their conscience without you infantile, can-only-see-the-tip-of-your-nose people subjecting us to criticism.We are the patriots of freedom.
    Sign me “Don’t blame me. I voted for HARRY BROWNE.”

  380. I think there should be a major outcry all over the country on inaguration day. Without it the polititians have carte blanche to the cookie jar. Although these corrupt election practices have gone on over the decades, never has it been so blatently flung in the face of us citizens. We can either have our voices heard or squelched. Where’s the revolution?

  381. *sigh* all you ignorant rednecks yelling about your guns and your poor unborn babies…please shut up. There is only so much of your “logic” that I can take. If you’re concerned about abortion, why don’t you adopt some of the unwanted children? Why don’t you stop killing doctors? Remember the “all life is sacred” bit you keep yelling? Pay attention to that. Republicans like to draw our attention to the freedoms that the Democrats would take away, but would love nothing more than making everyone worship their God and practicing His religion. I think that counts as removing a freedom. Along with a woman’s right to choose what is done to her. When some of you pro-life males start having kids, we’ll listen to you, but until then, stop acting like you know what you’re talking about. And I’m sure that Al Gore is out “to take yer guns away”. I’ll tell you what, instead of taking everything Charlton Heston says as gospel, go out and look up the facts for yourself. If you let someone else think for you, you shouldn’t get to vote, because you’re not using your brain to make a decision. Here’s another one for you trailer trash folk “way down south in the land of cotton”. You’re poor. George W. Bush is cutting taxes for the rich. Who picks up the slack? You do. Way to go. As long as they don’t “take yer guns away” and don’t like abortion, they could be shooting third graders or breaking puppies’ necks. You don’t care that Bush will take money away from your kids schools. Who will be there for you and support you in your old age? Probably not your kids, since they won’t have the education enough to dig ditches. Social Security ought to be interesting as well, since Bush didn’t think it had anything to do with the government. So you wonderful people that think with the hickerbilly side of your brain, drink Pabst and mistake your wife and kids for soccer balls when you come home drunk got your way. And it’s going to come back and bite you. Good Day.

    PS….DON’T STOP THE OUTRAGE!! PLEASE!!!

  382. I’d rather take my chances where I have a choice and a say in how my life will turn out, rather than blindly let the Gov. tax me into poverty, with the “promise” that the same gov will then take care of me. Why should I, after earning my education (through saving, summer jobs, and military service), and then getting a job that pays well enough so that I can ensure that I will not be a burden on society, be forced to turn over 30% of what *I* have earned with my blood and sweat to the gov, so that some welfare rat can have fast food and cable TV??? I work so that my kids have nice clothes to wear, and can go to a school where they can get a good education that just might give them enough of a leg up, so that they may too have the comfort of not having to depend on the gov to provide for them. My wife can look foreward to retiring while she is young enough to enjoy it, and if I can put enough away to buy a new pickup, then so be it. Just don’t give me that crap that it’s too hard to get a job, or that your unmotivated worthless butt should be able to lay on the couch, eating doritos and watching Jerry Springer while feeding like a piggy at the proverbial public trough. I understand that there are people out there that are down on their luck, and I do give to private charities, (money as well as volunteer time) one being my church, which offers meals to those who need them, and does *NOT* ask them to attend a service, or even participate in the pre-meal blessing. There are plenty of people out there that only want a hand up (I was in that position at a time), but I guess that it’s easier for you liberals to give hand outs with somebody elses money, rather than try to fix the situation that is keeping people down. I’d add the phrase “give a man a fish and you have fed him once, teach a man to fish and you have fed him for a lifetime” but then I would be blasted for being one of those *dastardly* Christians.

  383. If you think that there was significant difference between the two main candidates for President, just because they had a few disagreements on death penalty, th environment, and so on, you obviously don’t know what matters.

    As anyone with a minor understanding of economics knows, what matters is power and money!

    Neither candidate would have changed the balance of power: federal government, 98%, States, 2%, the individual, 0%.

    The proposed budget from the two main candidates differs by less than 3%, ensuring that the average person remain a slave, paying for causes that most don’t even know of, much less approve of!

  384. re: item #24 The Electoral System

    The only item in the most recent “Outrage” with which I cannot agree. So, of course, that’s the one I’ll b-tch about.

    The Electoral System is here to stay because there are too many states that would get scr-wed by a “Popular” vote. It’d take a constitutional amendment to change this one and only 14 “little” states to stop it.

    It’s one of the best systems ever thought up. “Warm Body” democracy usually fails as soon as the peasants realize it only takes 50% +1 to authorize someone else to buy the bread and circuses. (We’re getting there anyway, but it’s taking a lot longer then ever before in the history of the world.)

    Can you imagine the “Horror of November” repeated in 147 other counties? 50 State supreme courts would be competing to be the ones to “get it right”, “make every vote count”.. whatever. Renquist & co would take the next 3 years just sorting it all out.

    OK OK, full disclosure time: I live in New Hampshire and it gives me a special thrill to know that we’re the Northeast state that gave GW the edge. It drives the Libs nuts. Also especially pleasurable is the fact that Bob Smith can cancel the vote of HRH Hillary.

    Keep up the “Outrage” as Rush says: “When they’re out of power is when the liberals really go crazy.” There’ll be plenty of material for you for the next few years.

    PT
    Greenland, NH

  385. I suggest you don’t use submissions from Palm Beach, as this seems to be, if you wan’t to survive as a useful site.

  386. A simple solution would be to investigate the Bush clan in regard to the defective voting devices being placed in poor voting places.. I wonder why this has not been investigated BIG TIME !!

  387. Politics and intellectual pursuit are mutually exclusive pursuits. I came to this site expecting outrage..I received nothing but despair. You are simply another voice from the herd…the electronic version of the usual lowing and mewing that emanates from the television and the streets of this country. Open your minds to the reality that the political parties need you for money..that’s it. Just as a webmaster values individuals as “hits” on their websites, you votes work to increase their viability in the special interest arena. Don’t pretend to lead when all you can see are the asses of the cattle in front of you. And yes, animal allusions work wonderfully to describe Human affairs. It burns me that democrats and republicans alike are using this situation to rationalize their position as being “righteous”. Who cares about the big picture, as long as we feel good about our political associations all is well. Were we lied to and pulled along by both parties? Sure. Did better candidates on all sides get overlooked due to the intersts of the parties themselves? Hell yeah. But it doesn’t matter, we will forgive and forget so they can keep on making money and we can sleep well at night.
    Your constant aversion toward conspiracy theory is a logical position to take. If politics IS crooked and we ARE being lied to, then your rationalized position is invalid. I suggest that you look into the historical record of American, and other, politics for yourself. If you could manage to avoid the right or left-wing revisions of simple facts, you might realize something. You ARE a consumer. And while there is no Big Brother out there ensuring your subjugation, there is a many-layered system which has come to rely on your quiet acquiesence for its own survival. I can’t hope to explain this concept in a coherent way in this limited forum. I don’t even understand it fully. However, I do know that there IS a reason to be outraged about the present state of our society and YOUR opinions are NOT it. I wish that people could understand one thing: Leaning to the right OR the left is self-imposed tunnel vision. It seems that, in order to support one version of the truth so vigorously, one must either actively ignore obvious facts which support other beliefs or simply not understand the facts at all. Which is the case here? Either way, you have wasted a perfectly good URL with partisan dogma. It’s truly sad.

  388. The only thing I am outraged about is the inability to get tickets for the INAUGURATION BALL on 01/19/01. I finally achieve a goal that I have prayed on forever the opportunity to attend the INAUGURATION and I have the plane and room reservations but I can’t get tickets to the ball. I know that both you and your wife are sponsors of the ball and I am begging you for tickets. I hope this connection will help and that is: I am good friends with Tom Howarth from Pgh. Pa. and I am desparate to get tickets. PLEASE, PLEASE CAN YOU HELP ME. DOLORES GNIPP

  389. He’s really got it “nailed down” except for reference to Ralph Nader.Why does everyone assume that all who voted for him would have voted for Gore?

  390. AL GORE DID NOT WIN THE POPULAR VOTE!
    Can’t believe this is still used as an argument.
    What no one has brought up is the fact that all states, once the election night vote is counted, make a determination that absentee ballots will not affect THAT states electoral vote.
    Most people agree that absentee ballots are largely military, which votes Republican at least 75%. If California alone would have counted their absentee ballots, it would probably have cut the Gore “lead” in half. And that’s just one state.
    A true popular vote count would have shown Bush the winner.

  391. I have news for everyone, Al Gore cost himself the election
    Why? because the idiot said he would force every law abiding gunowner to have a national ID card and get fingerprinted. Why? so our corrupt government can confiscate them when they feel like it! Law abiding gun owners don’t deserve that type of treatment, so they voted for someone who was less likely to steal their freedoms from them! If Al Gore would have used his head and said he would get laws passed to prevent lawbreakers
    from aquiring guns he would be our president instead of Bush! Think about it, all Gore would have had to do is win one other fairly large state’s electoral votes and the debacle that we witnessed
    in Florida would never have transpired! A presidental candidate should never threaten to take away 80 to 100 million peoples constitutional rights. Al Gore
    threatened to do it and he lost!

  392. Literally, there should be a law that election results cannot be announced until the day after the election.

    Florida postal employees and polls employees have gotten away with harrassing Democratic votes, illegal counting of ballots, deliberate obstruction of an election and destruction of documents (ballots in the trash).

    I am a Federal employee. If I destroyed documents or tried to obstruct justice or someone’s voting rights I would be in court or jail or both. Yet these state and Federal employees in Florida have done just that without any penalty.

    There is no justice in the United States. It seems if you are a Republican you can get away with anything. There seems to be nothing too outrageous or illegal for a Republican to do.

  393. Well I believe that we should end the electorial votes because the gov says the U.S is for the people made for the people and how is it for the people if the people are going out wasting their time going out and voting and their dont even count. cause with popular vote the votes actually go to the canidate the people want.

  394. You know when the United States Supreme Court appointed Bush as President. I told some friends we had all better get our pea’s in a row.
    Any gains made to put the good ole U.S.A. out of dept will be undermined by this man. Jobs will be lost, gas prices will go sky high. Our country will have enormous dept, and I am sure we will have war althrough his presidency…Well here it is Oct 2003 and unfortunatly I was right 4 out of 4.. Another thingthese Bush’s are dangerous people. His Daddy didn’t only serve as Vice Pres and Pres. he was also at one time head of the CIA.Iran Contra deal not North he was a scapegoat… The Bush Clan ran the whole deal..Afgan. the Taliban they were destined for distruction when they repeatly turned down overtures to build and oil pipeline through there country. Iraq and weapons of mass distruction.. What nonsense.. More like Iraq and the Bush family getting their fingers into that countries rich oil lands..All these terrible catastrophies, like 9/11.. The country was shocked and taken by surprise, true enough. Were the bush’s, think about it. The Cia created Bin Ladin, the created Sadam. And they were surprised by 9/11, idon’t think so. The Muslim left has been trying to take down the World Trade center and what it represented from day one. Now we are at war a declared war not on a country but on terrorism. When we are at war a declared war, this means Executive order is the rule..Our Constitution is of no meaning, our privacy is a lie.We have none. And I am sure my friends that the mullti national, multi millionare, backers and dreamers of the New world order are jumping in glee. They feel their time has come. Rightfully so all the checks and balances are in their favor. Euro dollar no accident. It is all about power.. The bottom line..By the way Daddy Bush used the words New World order over 4000 times in passing during his reign. Just getting us used to hearing it. Nothing is by accident, it all has been well planned out. don’t look back a year look back 20 years 40 years all the signs of what we are plunging into now were in the making. Vietnam was no war it was a test. we passed we swallowed their lies and send our young men to die by the thousands. Just as blindly as we let them send them into Iraq. True Sadam was not a good person. I personally feel our leaders are not very good people to structure the illegal take over of other governments based on hearsay and speculation and what we are finding out down right lies.
    We the people are no longer the self governing people our forefather set us up to be. It is obvious to me our votes and wishes are no longer atheared to. We are governed by bureaucrates and professional politicians. Many who were structured and in training to take over while still in college. Quail was one such man.. His problem was he couldn’t spell potato, or was that Potatoe..
    Thomas Jefferson warned us about these men and these times.. The right to bear arms was put in to protect ourselves against a government that grew bigger than the people it was supposed to represent. Not to protect ourselves against foriegners. Now we are losing our right to bear arms and inch at a time. We cannot protect ourselves our homes or our families. We are lead to believe we have to depend on the police. The ones who can’t do anything until a crime has been commited. There is now a law where you can go to prison for getting intoxicated and telling someone your going to kick their ass.It’s called terroristic threats. This law is totally over used as the police states little clearing house to get rid of the undersirables. If you have a felonie on your record and did time.. To pay for you mistake. At which time when your dept was paid and your constitutional rights were to be restored, so you could live as a productive citizen. wake up you still can’t vote even if you did probation. You still can’t own a gun even though your crime was nonviolent. Good way to weed out the wolves and self thinkers from the Sheep or followers..I could write a book on these things. America land of the free. A land that has a larger prison population than all other countries combined. Over 80% of those in prison are for non violent crimes. Over 50% of these are there for victimless crimes such as drug use. Boys and girls, please tell me whats wrong with this picture. The heck of it is we all know the truth of the matter but are now powerless to do anything about it. And I truly believe that in the near future or maybe even now people will be jailed or could be jailed for stating the thoughts such as i just have voiced..So with that I will say with great feeling.. God Bless America… Please God Bless America.. Now this is only my opinion , I may be wrong!!!???

  395. This is typical of a society that has virtually kicked God out of the society. We have put money on the throne of our lives and it doesn’t surprise me one bit when juries who consist of average people have a chance to strike back for the little guy. And when greed rules the land, and one doesn’t trust the politicians, they are paid accordingly.

  396. My profession, schoolteaching, likes to cite such data. But supply and demand rules. If people are willing to pay big to watch Kevin Garnett play ball, that’s what he’ll make. Teachers are paid by tax dollars and parents don;t have a choice, so they’re not willing to pay much. Besides, the NEA constantly resists efforts to distinguish excellent teachers from the rest and pay them accordingly, so good teachers are paid the same as poor ones. Most parents I know would gladly pay the good teacher more, if the union would allow the distinction. We know who they are, and so does the public. Until performance is the basis of teacher pay, they will continue to be underpaid as a profession.

  397. Well, the statements about earnings in Bangledesh don’t mean diddly as far as Americans are concerned— save that it shows that Capitalism (the freedom to use your wealth as you see fit) and human liberty are tied togethor more intimately than the “get the rich” taxocrats like to admit.

    As to the president’s annual wage—- goes to show you get paid what you’re worth.

    People in a free, capitalist country get paid vast sums of money generally for two basic reasons: 1)They work hard, and 2)their hard work makes someone else rich, too.
    In a free market, you get paid precisely what you’re worth.

  398. I guess this month the Outrage was mostly a pity party for those less fortunate who can’t claim to be a minority, a politician or whatever. While a lot of things inlife are B.S. half of them aren’t even worth complaining about anymore. I find it hard to believe that jurors awarded money to a family just becuase they were hispanic. What were the circumstances behind the accident and how much of that covered bills ect. I doubt a jury gave a black woman a great award becuase she was black. Being falsely accused of something you didn’t do is wrong and you can’t repay her for the embarrasment. Ask yourself to remember the last time you had to spend the energy to defend yourself. When you are falsley accused of stealing you might as well have stolen something becuase in the future you will still be viewed as a theif, this accusation is hard to get over. You could compare it to being accused of beating your wife, you may not do it but everyone believes it. I am a white woman who has come to grips with the fact that she probably WAS singled out as a shoplifter becuase she was a black woman.
    Usually the Outrage is fairly interesting, but this month I found it to be a little distasteful. Can we buy some class please? How long are we going to whine and moan about what race is getting more than what the “white” race is getting. Look around yourself and watch the news. “White” people are still better off no matter how much money we have. Disagree all you want. As fas as how much money the big wigs are making?? Why even complain about that?? These people went to school , applied themselves and are successful. They’ve earned their wealth. A lot of these people are self made individuals who had nothing but became something. So what excuse do the rest of us have and why are we blasting them or commenting on their salaries?

  399. Much as the multi-billion-dollar tobacco judgment (and it’s corresponding giga-$ lawyers’ fee) Outrages me, as do many of the other figures presented, two of them are presented out of context in such a way as to be deceptive.
    They are the pecentages of the populations of Bangladesh and Guatemala earning less than $1 per day, 29% and 40% respectively. Whenever figures such as these are used, the person citing them always fails to mention just how far $1 goes in those countries. It’s entirely likely that in Guatemala and Bangladesh, $1 could feed a family of four for several days.

  400. Those numbers tell me this country has gone crazy. Even if an accident is your fault, you sue and make a lot of money for your own stupidiy. We, as voters , allow the same crooked politicians to stay in office rather than getting off of our lazy rear ends and voting them out of office. No politician goes into office for the good of the people. They get into office because they know they can cheat and gauge the citizens of this country, and we will just sit and take it. Money seems to be the most important thing in the world now. There is no honor left in America. It is a crying shame that we have allowed this country to lapse into this sorry state. It is time we stood up and say enough. I believe in the law they were thinking of passing that required that if you sue and lose, you have to pay the lawyer fees for the other side. The smoking award is ridiculous. It is your fault if you smoked the first cigarette. No one put a gun to your head to do it; there is enough evidence out now so that anyone with half a brain would have sense enough not to put the first one into their mouth. If they were already smoking when the first warnings came out, they should have had enough sense to stop smoking. The award that just came down will put thousands of people out of work if it is ever enforced. The only ones that win are the lawyers. I think it should go back to the colonial days when lawyers were not allowed to live with the rest of the community. They are sharks, feeding off of a society to dumb to recognize this fact.

  401. Hey this is a market economy!
    If the American people are willing to spend more on entertainment than on schools
    and such so be it. As for disabaled bets getting shafted, have you ever seen this as an issue anywhere? Frankly speaking I don’t like seeing people being overcompensated for real or imagined wrongs either but I truly detest seeing others getting far less than they should. Politicians are not included in this group because the bribe money certainly more than makes up for any salary deficiencies

  402. What does it mean? It always comes down to the same thing doesn’t it? Ineficient, inapropriate, overreaching, overstepping out of control government that succeeds time and again to institute liberty thieving policy that never fails to result in exactly the opposite intended purpose. —— sorry, still feeling the sting of 2 OUTRGAGEOUS conventions

  403. You seem to have two widely differing totals for the annual minimum wage. In one example, you indicate that the amount is $10,300. In another, it’s listed as $24, 570. I think the current minimum wage is $5.25/hr. That comes to $10,920/yr., based on a work year of 2080 hours. I’m not outraged, though, having been somewhat of an arithmetic dunce, myself.

    It looks like i need to go out and find something to sue someone on ! Damn this country is messed up. I dont feel sorry for anyone who smoked cigarettes they take their own chances when they light up. And anyone with ANY commone sense knows smoking isnt good at all,
    My sister made more money back in the 80s thans she does right now with the inflation inflated wages people might think they are making more money but when gas is $1.70 a gallon and milk is $2.75 a gallon it dont take long its gone. So much for the American dream guess we all need to go out and sue someone to make our dreams come true.

  404. Hmmm….

    You seem to see no difference between money extorted by force, and money earned via voluntary means.

    So, today the outrage is … you.

  405. Remember folks, we have the power as consumers to vote with our dollars. The next time you consider seeing a NBA basketball game think about the Kevin Garnett’s contract for $125,000,000, and ponder how much of your ticket price is going to his salary. The next time you are buying a package of cigarettes think about litigation lawyers receiving $50,000,000,000 for their oscar winning performance in the court room. My point is that we have the power by voting “no” to purchase their products whether it is goods, services, or entertainment. All of those costs are inevitably past on to us in higher prices; (only if we choose to allow it)!

  406. I am absolutely not outraged by it. The rich get richer by misusing the system. Once a while they get hit, and they scream. Double, triple, multiple standards. Hypocrisy of the rich and the powerful.
    When US wins some war war, it feels great. When US loses a war (like in Vietnam), it screams (after all a rich and powerful nation is not supposed to lose a war). The British loved it when they plundered the world during imperial days; now some tinpot dictator in Africa defies the UK/US, they scream.
    This is life. When the poor have a chance to hit back at the rich, I love it. It is not a fair world; and these unfair rules/laws are enacted by the rich and powerful.

  407. I get outraged everytime I get this information and usually end up writing a letter to somebody. Mostly my newspapers, all four of them.
    I think maybe you got the salaries wrong on the last entry, cause a congressman makes more than $32,000 a year. Hell he steals that much on an average month.
    Stay outraged.
    Sergeant Major, US Army, Retired

  408. We have become a nation of Gov’t by the corporation,of the corporation and for the corporation.Save money,dissolve government,let the corporations police their activity.

  409. Annual salary for a U.S. Representative is $136,000.

    Plus, they get a good benefit package and a healthy retirement.

    While I think that is a generous salry and compensation package, and certainly more than I make, it is not outrageous.

    Philip Morris is a good long-term investment, way underpriced right now at about $32/share. It owns Miller Brewing Co and Kraft Foods, as well as its tobacco unit, the largest in the world.

    As for the huge salaries of the others, as I understand George W’s plan, taxes will be reduced on the recipients, but not on my mininscule salary. that’s outrageous!

    Thanks for a thoughtful essay.

    profjohn

  410. We need you more,more and more.However,in order to really understand the meaning of your messages one has to have at least a quater of brain. Unfortunately, most of the people are under charm of Clintons and Gores and for them everything is alright. How more pathetic that can be?
    W.G.
    Thanks for great job you are doing.

  411. This is typical of a society that has virtually kicked God out of the society. We have put money on the throne of our lives and it doesn’t surprise me one bit when juries who consist of average people have a chance to strike back for the little guy. And when greed rules the land, and one doesn’t trust the politicians, they are paid accordingly.

  412. Poverty is a frame of mind. Citing these disparities in income are not going to do much more than create dissention among the less educated populace. As we are well on our way to a complete welfare/police state you may be better served to attack the amount of the population who make their living off of taxes.

    I am afraid that we will all see the house of cards fall.

  413. I have a dream….okay, really I just have a comment. I make $800.00 per month as a day care teacher in the Midwest. I raise your kids for you, so that you can go out and make a living. Most of my customer’s parents earn in the 40 and 50 thousand dollar a year range, yet I make way below the national poverty standard. What’s my point you ask? I can raise my own son, I can make my house payment and pay all my bills on what I make. I don’t by scented candles and 8.00 conditioners. I don’t serve my family ready-made meals that cost twice as much as do it yourself meals. I don’t buy myself clothes once a week. Maybe the problem isn’t the amount we’re making, but the amount we’re spending. Not everyone can have everything, and contrary to popular belief, you don’t deserve that big screen TV, or that new silk dress. I think it’s time we became outraged at our own priorities.

  414. “All” our problems would be solved if Congress would (Ha!) pass a law that states that “no elected official
    may receive campaign contributions or other donations from anyone except a constituent! (Corporations can’t vote).
    I.e., if you can’t vote for someone, you can’t send ’em money!
    Nuff said.
    (of course it will never happen)

  415. These respective financial figures show what a warped sense of values our society holds.

    After all, in what rational society would a bunch of semiliterates whose occupation is throwing a ball into be averaging a million or so dollars a year!

  416. There is a message here! Become a s–tbag lawyer and get rich. Not to mention society’s values are totally out of whack. Gree rules!

  417. All I can say is as long as there is a demand, someone will be there to supply it. Regardless of how much money it costs. Maybe WE should start by focusing on reevaluating OUR priorities, to decrease the demand, and therefore decrease the cost!

  418. What does this mean to me? This is something I realized a long time ago.The average man will only get by. We bust our butts every day and we hope to get ahead. Then some polatician passes another law to take more of my pay to pay for another free program or some ones free health insurance. Now you take that mans money and now he can,t afford to pay for health insurence. The kicker? The welfarite gets their free medical.

  419. Once again we witness the absurdity of our leagal system. It is almost impossibe to believe that the Judge would allow a verdict that ridiculous to stand- but then the Judge was a lawyer first. It would aappear that you must first become a idiot lawyer before becoming an idiot Judge. I know first hand about our absurd legal system- I have the dubious honour of hiring an employee as director of marketing at an age of 72. It became necessary to terminate his employment due to insurbordinate behaviour at age 78. He sued- the case was heard 4 years later. The jury awarded him 1.3 milion Dolars for age discrimination, even though he wa hired 7 years after most people retire. He was awarded 250,000 for pain and suffering( with out one (1) medical bill. His wife(she had a claim in the suite) was awarded 200,000 for LOSS OF SERVICES. The judge did not stay the exicution even though there was anappeal pending. The sheriff seized the company’s working assets ($500,000) nearly causing the company to file for chapter 11 and throwing 120 people out of work. Such is our legal system. the story gets worse from here on-but I don’t have enough time to go into all ther details. I appealed and won- what did I win- A NEW TRIAL WITH posible the same Judge. I was advised to settle if possible. The legal fee charged under contract with my lawyer for settling the case (This does not include the $100,000+ for the appeal) was 30% of the differance between the setlement and the limits of liability ($600,000). The setlement was $250,000 thereby erning the lawyer $105,000 for no more than 10 hours work. Total cost, $850,000 plus. If this is’t plunder, I don’t know what is

  420. I received this message via email. I sent a letter to R-Senator Santorum and R-Senator Spector, both of Pennsylvania asking how true this information is and received no response as of yet. If this information is accurate, those people who complain about Politics, Judges and are so unhappy with how this Country is run, have no complaints if they do not VOTE.
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    SOCIAL SECURITY FOR CONGRESS…

    Our Senators and Congressmen don’t pay in to Social Security, and, of
    course, they don’t collect from it.

    The reason is that they have a special retirement plan that they voted for
    themselves many years ago. For all practical purposes, it works like this:

    When they retire, they continue to draw their same pay, until they die,except that it may be increased from time to time, by cost of living adjustments.

    For instance, former Senator Bradley, and his wife, may be expected to draw $7,900,000, with Mrs. Bradley drawing $275,000 during the last year of her life.

    This is calculated on an average life span for each.

    This would be well and good, except that they paid nothing in on any kind of retirement, and neither does any other Senator or Congressman. This fine
    retirement comes right out of the General Fund: our tax money. While we who pay for it all, draw an average of $1000/month from Social Security.

    Imagine for a moment that you could structure a retirement plan so
    desirable that people would have extra deducted so that they could increase their own personal retirement income. A retirement plan that works so well, that Railroad employees, Postal Workers, and others who aren’t in it, would clamor to get in.

    That is how good Social Security could be, if only one small change were made. That change is to jerk the Golden Fleece retirement out from under the Senators and Congressmen, and put them in Social Security with the rest of us. Then watch how fast they fix it.

    If enough people receive this, maybe one or some of them along the way, might be able to help.

  421. I wish to point out an error in the outrage for Aug 18. The
    annual compensation for a veteran who looses a foot, a
    hand and hearing is well below the $37,116 average figure
    by possibly as much as 12,000 dollars.

    Check the VA web page at <http://www.va.gov/vbs/index.htm&gt;.

    Thnx,

    LF Peters USN (ret)

  422. OUTRAGEOUS QUOTES (8/18/2000) includes this:
    >
    > When I see someone who is making anywhere from $300,000 to $750,000,
    > that’s middle class.
    >
    > – Representative Frederick Heineman (R, N.C.) explaining why his income
    > was too low to qualify as “middle class.”
    . . .
    > Both quotes from “The Stupidest Things Ever Said by Politicians” by Ross
    > and Kathryn Petras.

    A few things about that:

    1) Fred has never made that kind of money, himself. Not
    even close. He is a retired cop. He spent 38 years in law
    enforcement. He started out as a foot patrolman, and eventually
    worked his way up to be Chief of Police of Raleigh, NC.

    2) Fred Heineman made his stupid remark about “middle class”
    five years ago, in October of 1995. Why are you dredging it
    up now? He hasn’t been a Congressman for the last two terms.

    3) Almost everyone says stupid things occasionally. Fred is
    not an exception. Neither am I. Sometimes I hear words come
    out of my own mouth that astound and horrify me. Sometimes
    I even hear myself say the exact opposite of what I intended to
    say. To the best of my knowledge, Fred’s remark about the upper
    middle class is the dumbest thing he ever said. I wish I’d
    never said anything dumber than that! He is not a great speaker,
    but he is an honest and decent person, which is all too rare
    in public life these days.

    4) Fred may have been misquoted. His own recollection of what
    he said does not match that of the Raleigh News and Observer
    reporter who quoted him, and the N&O is certainly not the
    world’s most reliable source. (I am a former subscriber, who
    cancelled his subscription after I caught them running a story
    that they KNEW was untrue.)

    5) Fred is not rich. After retiring from police work, he ran
    for Congress and served one term. He FEELS like a middle-class
    person, because he lives like a middle-class person, and because
    he’s spent his life with middle class people. He made that remark
    less than a year into his first and only term in Congress.

    6) Fred apparently made that remark in response to someone who
    said that he was “upper middle class.” Talking about his own
    financial condition, he said, “In my opinion, that makes me
    lower-middle class. If someone wants to look at me and say I’m
    upper middle class, that’s crazy.”

    7) A person’s financial class is not determined by his peak
    earnings, but by his aggregate financial condition and history.
    The fact that Fred, after a lifetime at middle-class income
    levels, had one all-too-brief term with a $133,600/year salery,
    does not make him “upper middle class.”

    8) A person of Fred’s age, with his lifetime earnings, is solidly
    “middle middle class.” Fred was should not have said that he
    was “lower middle class.” But he was right in saying that he
    is not “upper middle class.”

    9) What is truly outrageous is how the Democrats used Fred’s
    verbal misstep to misrepresent him as being an out-of-touch rich
    man. Heineman “has given us a unique window onto the Republican
    world view — and why it’s so weighted toward wealth and privilege,”
    said Dick Gephardt, shamelessly, though his own life has been much
    more one of wealth and privilege than was Heineman’s.

    -Dave Burton

  423. What it means to me is that the republic is lost. The US Government, patterned after the Roman Government, has gone the same route as the Roman Government. Once corruption becomes rampant, tyranny is inevetible. Is there any facet of American life that is not dominated by deceit? Politics, the economy, religion, business…
    Deceit is not merely encouraged, it’s required. I spent my career in industry and have seen managers spend millions in cover-ups to keep from admitting error. What it means to me is that the sun has set on the glory of America and now we are well past the eleventh hour.

  424. I’ll tell you what: I’d like to see some of those Sport Jocks
    come over and design the B-2 Bomber, or F-22, or some-
    thing useful towards our National Defense. Or, maybe have
    them sign up for 4 years of service and only get about
    $1000.00 a month and barely any benfits instead of
    driving around in their limousines. Then we’ll see what their
    REAL net worth is!

  425. We can bitch and we can cry,Nothing is going to change because everyone is to stupid or to lazy to try to change it As bad as it is…..would you rather live here or in Cuba or Zimbawbe or anyplace else……

  426. Quit your damn whining! Life is only unfair if you let it be. Use your head and stand up for yourself. We can do that in this country. If you had the opportunity to earn 140,000,000. would you pass it up? Only the rarest of individual would. Maybe our biggest problem is we have forgotten how to be human.

  427. What is your point? Is life unfair? Define fairness. People choose to smoke. I chose not to smoke and I’m 48 years old. The State should stop medalling into my life; people should take responsibility for their own actions and stop asking the political class to make me subsidize the cost of their personal folly. Get real. Have a nice day. If life were fair, I’d be Bill Gates. Go fish.

  428. You made my point, Zak. Is it “fair” that this person is poor and this person is rich? Is it “unfair” that this person has throat cancer because he smokes? You are exactly right and that is the problem we have today. Some people do not want to take responsiblity for their actions. It seems to be getting worse. I agree with you. So my point is that life is neither “fair” or “unfair”. It’s what you make of it and it is up to you. By the way the definition of fair is, among others, “according to the rules”.

  429. we certainly have forgoten how to be human, because i thought humanity was based on LOGIC and FAIRNESS and EQUALITY, not getting rich

  430. I am surfing the web trying to figure out, “What is considered middle class, if you are a single person.” Have any figures that aren’t so confusing?

  431. You are absolutely right. our court system is a Circus. People Dont know what it is to suffer. They feel a little
    sick they run to the doctor. Then they complain how they were treated and sue. Any little thing they can think of just to get money and not have to work and sit on there lazy butts all day. As long as we have our worthless Judges who say they go by the book,things will continue the way they are. Also these people who say they are for people rights and spend there days protesting instead of working. I say to them: Get a job lazy people.
    Remeber to love and forgive your fellow man not to rob him!!!

  432. I just read your essay on Amado-Carrillo Fuentes and I needed to know how legit that was. Please respond with any other info you might have. Thanks

  433. What do these numbers show me…?? They show me just how backwards this country actually is… They show me that I am less of a person because I wasn’t given the talent to become a basketball player who earns 126 million over 6 years just because I can light up the court on any given night…… they show me that I should not be complaining because there are people out there working 100 times harder then me earning 100 times less….. no matter what anybody tells me about this country being the best there is, alls I have to tell them is that Alex Rodriguez (shortstop for the Texas Ranger) earns $25 million dollars in one year for playing a game that he enjoys while I grind out a tough day at the office for a paycheck that will be gone in one week……!?!?!?!?!?!

  434. I am outraged that I cannot find a organization to help
    my father get free or low income health insurence. He is
    in very poor health and somehow you have to qualify for
    this or that. If anyone can help please let me know.
    Thank you.

  435. Regarding outrage 970626, Court Strikes Blow to Religious Freedom…. So you are saying, we have Zoning Laws, but its OK for a church to break those laws in the name of Religious Freedom?

    Truth by EnenKio http://www.enenkio.org
    – Present Status – EnenKio is a sovereign state The government of the Kingdom of EnenKio was established in 1994 under authority and by direction of Head of State and the hereditary Iroijlaplap (Paramount Chief) of the Northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands. The Constitution of EnenKio established and set forth the authority and responsibility of the government and established duties and succession protocol of the Monarch and Royal Family.  EnenKio is a Limited Constitutional Monarchy.  Representative citizens, acting as Founding Fathers, ratified the Constitution, recognized His Majesty King Murjel Hermios as Head of State, affirmed their resolve in the Declaration of Sovereignty and determined the boundaries of the new Kingdom of EnenKio.  Notice that EnenKio was a new sovereign state was sent to representatives of the Republic of the Marshall islands, United States, United Nations General Assembly, UN Security Council, South Pacific Commission, NATO, world media, Pacific Island nations and other nations.  Legal action was then taken to set forth the claim against the foreign occupational forces of the United States, which failed to ever answer any actions and now stands in default with respect to demands for compensation and for illegally occupying of the king’s ancestral lands.  The effect of legal demands filed in U.S. federal court, unanswered complaints and failure to reply now have the force of law in commerce, under national and international laws and conventions. EnenKio is an “offshore haven for criminals and money launderers” Actually, the United States did reply — not directly to EnenKio, but with an insidious merciless campaign of disinformation broadly dispersed across the Internet and to its trading partners.  One glaring example is a U.S. Department of State Report which compares EnenKio to the likes of Thailand, Colombia and Russia under the topic of “Money Laundering and Financial Crimes”.  This official report — International Narcotics Control Strategy, 1998 — categorizes EnenKio as an Offshore Financial Center.  This is a curious label as EnenKio has no bank, no financial center and no money to launder.  It goes on to refer to another state and “Enenkio” (sic) as “…mere figments of fertile imaginations…”, and as “…entirely fraudulent in intent and practice.”  The United States offers NO proof nor is it known to have ever found any.  In fact, in February 2001, the federal agencies of the United States, concluded an exhaustive investigation that failed to turn up even one shred (or hanging chad) of evidence of impropriety — in intent or practice. EnenKio exists “only in cyberspace” Such a claim might be made for Yahoo™, Windows Magazine™ or any number of “dot.coms”.  Why, the United States itself claims over 25,000 web sites hosting millions of pages.  Is this not a criteria for existence in cyberspace?  EnenKio as a state has its roots in a 1987 document, but really, it is founded upon more than 2000 years of historical lineage preceding the ascendancy of the Hermios Marshallese family to their rightful, recognized traditional post.  The EnenKio web site did not appear until 1998.  It is a mystery how any reasonable person could examine the few dozens of posted documents, laws and letters — thousands of pages are not posted — and then say: EnenKio exists only in cyberspace. Today’s Challenge for Tomorrow’s Future Every avenue is being explored to raise capital for projects described in the development plan. Bond, stamp and shipbuilding programs have commenced.  Applications are invited for passports, business licenses and ship registration.  For those qualified individuals who wish to join this effort or encourage us to gain recognition among states of the first order, we have a need for Consuls and Diplomatic representatives in foreign offices, Trade Missions and other diplomatic posts. Additional human resources and people knowledgeable in international policy, diplomatic protocol, spaceport and aircraft operations, telecommunications, shipping, manufacturing, chemical engineering and a host of other disciplines will be required to design and attract development projects and implement envisioned programs.  Contractual arrangements for professional consultation and services in law, finance, commerce, economics and others are being actively sought. All who have an interest and are so moved, you are encouraged to submit a Personal Involvement form.  By submitting the form, you will be advised of the latest developments, provided an outline of needs and may at some point be invited to actively participate in development and promotion of EnenKio and to become a citizen of the fledgling nation. Salutation On behalf of the Second Monarch, His Majesty King Remios Hermios, His Royal Highness Crown Prince Lobadreo Hermios and all representatives and citizens of EnenKio, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs sincerely acknowledges your involvement, interest, prayers and support. See also: Political Status Under Illegal Occupation by the United States 808 923-0476 fax/ph or mp@enenkio.org

  436. All this stuff about trying to empathise with women who reckon they were molested is hypocritical crap. I resent ever attemt to prove that gay blokes are just like women. I am certainly not. I don’t like shopping. I’m predatory in a way that seems to get me as much sex as I want and, I definitely don’t support Hillary Clinton or Cherie Blair. In other words, I am a geeza, not a queen.

  437. All this stuff about trying to empathise with women who reckon they were molested is hypocritical crap. I resent ever attemt to prove that gay blokes are just like women. I am certainly not. I don’t like shopping. I’m predatory in a way that seems to get me as much sex as I want and, I definitely don’t support Hillary Clinton or Cherie Blair. In other words, I am a geeza, not a queen.

  438. Just a little simple quote from that funny guy Al Sharpton and his revisionist view of ancient history:

    “White folks was in caves while we was building empires. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.”

    Don’t ya just love him?

  439. When it comes to sport, pro or amateur, we all need to check the true definition of the word. After 50 years on this ball, I’ve come to the conclusion that money is truly the root of all evil. The greediness of today’s “sportsmen” has ruined any care or concern I have for any competition. I weep for the future.

  440. Hi! I had some comments regarding the loss of the “real” gold medal to the Russians. You offer me a place to rage at; but the page can’t be found! What’s that about!?

  441. People are responsible for themselves.
    If they wish to smoke it is their responsibilty.
    The tobacco companies are not guilty of any wrong.
    I, and all other persons are responsible for our own futures and not the tobacco companies!!
    These money grubbing laweyers
    are unprincipled and foul creatures.

  442. Your website would be alot better served if you didn’t slam every Native-Indian, black and otherwise visible minority for every grievience that you have. I also found the little history lesson on the war between native americans vs. white americans very amusing if not completley moronic. I didn’t know that people with such ridiculous and unsubstantiated views still existed. Imagine my surprise. A simple word of advice for the future: Get your facts straight and make an intelligent argument. If you can’t do that then don’t write anything down, It’s better to let people think your knowledgeable, than to write something down and remove all doubt.

  443. NOW HERE THIS:
    WE AS PEOPLE LIVING IN THIS WORLD TO DAY HAD BETTER WAKE UP TO SOME TRUTH. IF NOT THEN OUR VERY WAY OF EXISTANCE WILL COME TO AN END. IT IS A SCIENTIFIC FACT THAT THIS PLANET IS THE ONLY PLACE THAT WE NO OF THAT CAN SUPPORT OUR LIFE. AND IF WE SIT BACK AND ALLOW THE POLITICIANS TO DESTROY IT THEN WE TOO WILL BE DISTROYED.THE GOVERNMENT HAS GOTTEN TO THE POINT THAT IT IS NO LONGER FOR THE PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE ELECTED TO REPRESENT BUT FOR THE ONE WHO CAN CONTTRIBUTE TO THEM GETTING REELECTED IN OFFICE. I AM LIVING PROOF TO THIS FACT AND WILL BE WILLING TO DISSCUSS THESE FACT TO ANYONE WHO IS INTERESTED. I AM LOOKING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO DO WHAT IT TAKES TO REASTABLISH OUR LIVES BACK, AND BRING BACK WHAT THE AMERICAN DREAM USED TO STAND FOR. E-MAIL ME AND LETS DISSCUSS THESE THINGS. FOR I HAVE NOTHING LEFT TO LOOSE BUT MY LIFE AND MY FREEDOM. UBONWITHME@AOL.COM

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    Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 9:52pm To: president@whitehouse.gov, webmaster@congress.gov Subject: NO LAND OWNERS NO COMPACT ww.enenkio.org Message Added: NO LAND OWNERS NO COMPACT ? http://www.enenkio.org The following information was added to the message board: Name: HAWAII ENENKIO NATION KINGDOM E-Mail: FirstGov@webtv.net Subject: NO LAND OWNERS NO COMPACT ? http://www.enenkio.org Body of Message:
    Return to the Hawaiian Independence Home Page or the Legal Documents Index
    Excerpts of the Apology with image of signing Congressional Record – Senate, October 27, 1993 Congressional Record – House, November 15, 1993 Visit AlohaQuest Apology Presentation with images and related quotations and links.
    UNITED STATES PUBLIC LAW 103-150
    103d Congress Joint Resolution 19
    Nov. 23, 1993
    To acknowledge the 100th anniversary of the January 17, 1893 overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, and to offer an apology to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii. Whereas, prior to the arrival of the first Europeans in 1778, the Native Hawaiian people lived in a highly organized, self-sufficient, subsistent social system based on communal land tenure with a sophisticated language, culture, and religion; Whereas, a unified monarchical government of the Hawaiian Islands was established in 1810 under Kamehameha I, the first King of Hawaii; Whereas, from 1826 until 1893, the United States recognized the independence of the Kingdom of Hawaii, extended full and complete diplomatic recognition to the Hawaiian Government, and entered into treaties and conventions with the Hawaiian monarchs to govern commerce and navigation in 1826, 1842, 1849, 1875, and 1887; Whereas, the Congregational Church (now known as the United Church of Christ), through its American Board of Commissioners for Foreign Missions, sponsored and sent more than 100 missionaries to the Kingdom of Hawaii between 1820 and 1850;
    Whereas, on January 14, 1893, John L. Stevens (hereafter referred to in this Resolution as the “United States Minister”), the United States Minister assigned to the sovereign and independent Kingdom of Hawaii conspired with a small group of non-Hawaiian residents of the Kingdom of Hawaii, including citizens of the United States, to overthrow the indigenous and lawful Government of Hawaii; Whereas, in pursuance of the conspiracy to overthrow the Government of Hawaii, the United States Minister and the naval representatives of the United States caused armed naval forces of the United States to invade the sovereign Hawaiian nation on January 16, 1893, and to position themselves near the Hawaiian Government buildings and the Iolani Palace to intimidate Queen Liliuokalani and her Government; Whereas, on the afternoon of January 17,1893, a Committee of Safety that represented the American and European sugar planters, descendants of missionaries, and financiers deposed the Hawaiian monarchy and proclaimed the establishment of a Provisional Government; Whereas, the United States Minister thereupon extended diplomatic recognition to the Provisional Government that was formed by the conspirators without the consent of the Native Hawaiian people or the lawful Government of Hawaii and in violation of treaties between the two nations and of international law; Whereas, soon thereafter, when informed of the risk of bloodshed with resistance, Queen Liliuokalani issued the following statement yielding her authority to the United States Government rather than to the Provisional Government:
    “I Liliuokalani, by the Grace of God and under the Constitution of the Hawaiian Kingdom, Queen, do hereby solemnly protest against any and all acts done against myself and the Constitutional Government of the Hawaiian Kingdom by certain persons claiming to have established a Provisional Government of and for this Kingdom. “That I yield to the superior force of the United States of America whose Minister Plenipotentiary, His Excellency John L. Stevens, has caused United States troops to be landed a Honolulu and declared that he would support the Provisional Government.
    “Now to avoid any collision of armed forces, and perhaps the loss of life, I do this under protest and impelled by said force yield my authority until such time as the Government of the United States shall, upon facts being presented to it, undo the action of its representatives and reinstate me in the authority which I claim as the Constitutional Sovereign of the Hawaiian Islands.”.
    Done at Honolulu this 17th day of January, A.D. 1893.; Whereas, without the active support and intervention by the United States diplomatic and military representatives, the insurrection against the Government of Queen Liliuokalani would have failed for lack of popular support and insufficient arms;
    Whereas, on February 1, 1893, the United States Minister raised the American flag and proclaimed Hawaii to be a protectorate of the United States;
    Whereas, the report of a Presidentially established investigation conducted by former Congressman James Blount into the events surrounding the insurrection and overthrow of January 17, 1893, concluded that the United States diplomatic and military representatives had abused their authority and were responsible for the change in government; Whereas, as a result of this investigation, the United States Minister to Hawaii was recalled from his diplomatic post and the military commander of the United States armed forces stationed in Hawaii was disciplined and forced to resign his commission; Whereas, in a message to Congress on December 18, 1893, President Grover Cleveland reported fully and accurately on the illegal acts of the conspirators, described such acts as an “act of war, committed with the participation of a diplomatic representative of the United States and without authority of Congress”, and acknowledged that by such acts the government of a peaceful and friendly people was overthrown; Whereas, President Cleveland further concluded that a “substantial wrong has thus been done which a due regard for our national character as well as the rights of the injured people requires we should endeavor to repair” and called for the restoration of the Hawaiian monarchy; Whereas, the Provisional Government protested President Cleveland’s call for the restoration of the monarchy and continued to hold state power and pursue annexation to the United States; Whereas, the Provisional Government successfully lobbied the Committee on Foreign Relations of the Senate (hereafter referred to in this Resolution as the “Committee”) to conduct a new investigation into the events surrounding the overthrow of the monarchy; Whereas, the Committee and its chairman, Senator John Morgan, conducted hearings in Washington, D.C., from December 27,1893, through February 26, 1894, in which members of the Provisional Government justified and condoned the actions of the United States Minister and recommended annexation of Hawaii;
    Whereas, although the Provisional Government was able to obscure the role of the United States in the illegal overthrow of the Hawaiian monarchy, it was unable to rally the support from two-thirds of the Senate needed to ratify a treaty of annexation; Whereas, on July 4, 1894, the Provisional Government declared itself to be the Republic of Hawaii;
    Whereas, on January 24, 1895, while imprisoned in Iolani Palace, Queen Liliuokalani was forced by representatives of the Republic of Hawaii to officially abdicate her throne;
    Whereas, in the 1896 United States Presidential election, William McKinley replaced Grover Cleveland;
    Whereas, on July 7, 1898, as a consequence of the Spanish-American War, President McKinley signed the Newlands Joint Resolution that provided for the annexation of Hawaii;
    Whereas, through the Newlands Resolution, the self-declared Republic of Hawaii ceded sovereignty over the Hawaiian Islands to the United States; Whereas, the Republic of Hawaii also ceded 1,800,000 acres of crown, government and public lands of the Kingdom of Hawaii, without the consent of or compensation to the Native Hawaiian people of Hawaii or their sovereign government;
    Whereas, the Congress, through the Newlands Resolution, ratified the cession, annexed Hawaii as part of the United States, and vested title to the lands in Hawaii in the United States; Whereas, the Newlands Resolution also specified that treaties existing between Hawaii and foreign nations were to immediately cease and be replaced by United States treaties with such nations; Whereas, the Newlands Resolution effected the transaction between the Republic of Hawaii and the United States Government; Whereas, the indigenous Hawaiian people never directly relinquished their claims to their inherent sovereignty as a people or over their national lands to the United States, either through their monarchy or through a plebiscite or referendum; Whereas, on April 30, 1900, President McKinley signed the Organic Act that provided a government for the territory of Hawaii and defined the political structure and powers of the newly established Territorial Government and its relationship to the United States; Whereas, on August 21,1959, Hawaii became the 50th State of the United States; Whereas, the health and well-being of the Native Hawaiian people is intrinsically tied to their deep feelings and attachment to the land; Whereas, the long-range economic and social changes in Hawaii over the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries have been devastating to the population and to the health and well-being of the Hawaiian people; Whereas, the Native Hawaiian people are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territory, and their cultural identity in accordance with their own spiritual and traditional beliefs, customs, practices, language, and social institutions; Whereas, in order to promote racial harmony and cultural understanding, the Legislature of the State of Hawaii has determined that the year 1993, should serve Hawaii as a year of special reflection on the rights and dignities of the Native Hawaiians in the Hawaiian and the American societies; Whereas, the Eighteenth General Synod of the United Church of Christ in recognition of the denomination’s historical complicity in the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii in 1893 directed the Office of the President of the United Church of Christ to offer a public apology to the Native Hawaiian people and to initiate the process of reconciliation between the United Church of Christ and the Native Hawaiians; and Whereas, it is proper and timely for the Congress on the occasion of the impending one hundredth anniversary of the event, to acknowledge the historic significance of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, to express its deep regret to the Native Hawaiian people, and to support the reconciliation efforts of the State of Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians;
    Now, therefore, be it
    Resolved by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, SECTION 1. ACKNOWLEDGMENT AND APOLOGY. The Congress –
    : (1) on the occasion of the 100th anniversary of the illegal overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893, acknowledges the historical significance of this event which resulted in the suppression of the inherent sovereignty of the Native Hawaiian people; : (2) recognizes and commends efforts of reconciliation initiated by the State of Hawaii and the United Church of Christ with Native Hawaiians; : (3) apologizes to Native Hawaiians on behalf of the people of the United States for the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii on January 17, 1893 with the participation of agents and citizens of the United States, and the deprivation of the rights of Native Hawaiians to self-determination; : (4) expresses its commitment to acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii, in order to provide a proper foundation for reconciliation between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people; and
    : (5) urges the President of the United States to also acknowledge the ramifications of the overthrow of the Kingdom of Hawaii and to support reconciliation efforts between the United States and the Native Hawaiian people.
    SEC. 2. DEFINITIONS.
    As used in this Joint Resolution, the term “Native Hawaiians” means any individual who is a descendent of the aboriginal people who, prior to 1778, occupied and exercised sovereignty in the area that now constitutes the State of Hawaii.
    SEC. 3. DISCLAIMER.
    Nothing in this Joint Resolution is intended to serve as a settlement of any claims against the United States.
    Approved November 23, 1993
    ______________________________
    LEGISLATIVE HISTORY – S.J. Res. 19:
    SENATE REPORTS: No. 103-125 (Select Comm. on Indian Affairs) CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, Vol. 139 (1993):
    Oct. 27, considered and passed Senate.
    Nov. 15, considered and passed House.
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    Thu, Sep 25, 2003, 1:05pm To: pireport@EastWestCenter.org Subject: Comments on PIR content NO LAND OWNERS NO COMPACT http://www.enenkio.org From: enenkio@webtv.net (HAWAII & ENENKIO NATION KINGDOMS) Date: Tue, Sep 23, 2003, 1:48pm To: ihtbj@public.east.cn.net Subject: WITHOUT LAND-OWNERS THAIR IS NO COMPACT ! KINGS TRUST OWNS 40 % of RMI WITHOUT LAND-OWNERS THAIR IS NO COMPACT ! KINGS TRUST OWNS 40 % of RMI   (HAWAII & ENENKIO NATION KINGDOMS)
    – Government Bond Program –
    The EnenKio Gold Bond Program Overview
    The Kingdom of EnenKio has implemented distribution of government development bonds, as bearer’s instruments in friendly nations, backed by gold reserves, guarantees, real property or other assets. Use of bond capital, US$200 million per atoll, is to begin developing each of 5 King’s atolls in the Marshall Islands, by way of joint ventures with the Remios Hermios Eleemosynary Trust (RHET), which will provide free or subsidized services to both residents and consumers, as briefly outlined below:
    Atoll Infrastructure
    Land – Atolls to be developed are subdivided into wetos or segments radiating from a central point in the lagoon and further into plots. Each plot sold or leased is delivered with title and title insurance. Landowners receive proportional compensation for use of land developed within their weto. (Based on 10,000 units) Systems – All systems will employ affordable innovative technologies for simplicity, environmental sustainability and efficiency. The utmost care is exercised to preserve the current pristine nature of the landscape. Building systems shall make use of custom prefab wall systems, recycled materials and coconut lumber laminates made on site. Water retrieval involves numerous drilled wells and pumps linked on all islands to a circular underground distribution and processing system. Sewage systems are buried in the lagoon, have access to every island and terminate in 4 deep ocean out falls. Selective management on the basis of ocean currents and tides controls discharge of residue. Treatment is minimal accomplished primarily at points of origination using “dry” toilets and subsequent pulverization. Gray water is treated and used in agriculture. Power systems incorporate electricity, cable and phone lines bundled and accessible to every island. (Based on 20,000 units) Transportation –100 electric trucks mobilize land transport without a fee. Both high-speed surface watercraft and amphibian Vertical Takeoff and Landing (VTOL) aircraft are employed for passengers and cargo; larger craft serve inter-atoll and international needs. 5 ocean tugs and barges provide service and support, such as container off-loading and towing duties.
    Medical – Professional services, remedial care, emergency medical services, paramedic training and search and rescue are provided by 5 hospital ships and 5 air ambulances (VTOL aircraft). Projects Floating Hotel – A turnkey 200-suite hotel (“Embassy Suites” quality) is moored in the lagoon of the atoll where the King resides. Services include restaurants, casino, ballrooms, shopping and craft shops. The lower level provides for parking, storage, mechanical and maintenance spaces. A dock system accommodating 200 boats and yachts to 100 feet is attached. Visiting yachts receive use of an electric car, power, TV, phone cable and security for a respectable well-below-market price. The whole structure rides on the tides.
    Fishing Fleet – A fleet of 100 fishing boats will offload their catch at 5 shore-based processing plants, each with a different end product. Fuel Oil Production – 25 portable copra gins will produce oils, fuels and other products for consumption, power, filtration and storage, such as barrels, using existing natural raw materials. Coconut Lumber – 25 semi-portable mills will produce laminate lumber, chips and wood for construction. Harvesting older non-productive trees will require planting new-variety coconut trees on a one-for-one basis. Docks – An average of 20 floating dock systems will be placed in each of 5 lagoons., residential or business units may be attached to dock for access to land and water transports. These dock systems form central distribution points for services and are linked by intra-atoll electric transports. 5 municipal centers will facilitate access to administrative services and provide chambers for local council meetings. Communications – Wherever power is supplied, cable and lines will permit electronic data and voice access to the global community. A satellite telecommunications station for each of 5 atolls will provide around-the-clock connectivity.
    Bond Sample   
    Disclaimer and Notice to Bearer (printed on the reverse face of bonds) This instrument is issued under authority of the Executive Council, by Royal Commission, Government of the Kingdom of EnenKio. Bearer, by lawful possession, agrees to and accepts all conditions, risks, provisions and terms, whether expressed or implied, that apply to acquisition, possession and redemption hereof. Bearer is advised that laws of the country in which bearer takes or negotiates possession hereof may apply to this instrument or to any subsequent transaction herewith; such laws of any said country, whether expressed or implied, shall not subject issuer to its jurisdiction thereby. All lawful exchanges hereof are considered by issuer to be “offshore transactions”, as such term is generally understood in the international marketplace. Issuer does not warrant merchantability or market value hereof. Issuer does not insure this instrument or indemnify bearer hereof. Issuer keeps no record respecting identity of original purchaser. Bearer is advised to take every appropriate action necessary to protect or safeguard this instrument. Bearer is further advised that, respecting this printed instrument, the (1) actual value is negligible; (2) market value is not set or determined by issuer and may fluctuate without notice; (3) face (par) value is set as a fixed denomination of the prescribed precious metal bullion, in the measure inscribed, whereupon bearer assumes all risk as to trading or merchantable value, if any. Other conditions or terms may apply hereto without notice; bearer hereby acknowledges the responsibility to contact issuer for the most current information respecting obligations and duties of issuer, any authorized distributor or trustee of this instrument or the particulars of any program or project for which proceeds of this issue are designated. Interest – the nominal yield of this zero-coupon instrument is fixed at TEN PERCENT per annum, non-prorated, compounded and computed upon face (par) value. The Periodic Net Value (PNV) is determined only at each respective anniversary date subsequent to date of issuance affixed hereto. The chart below shows computed yield of Periodic Net Value per 100 units of par value. Each calculation of interest is rounded to TWO decimal places prior to compounding any subsequent anniversary PNV. Year Interest Rate
    (%)
    Interest per 100 units
    Periodic Net Value
    1
    10.0
    10.00
    110.00
    2
    10.0
    11.00
    121.00
    3
    10.0
    12.10
    133.10
    4
    10.0
    13.31
    146.41
    5
    10.0
    14.64
    161.05
    Calculations: Compounded Par Value (CPV) is determined by multiplying
    the product of par value divided by 100, times Periodic Net Value. To find actual value, use the formula CPV x gold (Au) price. For example, if bond’s par value is 300 Troy oz. gold, CPV (year 4) is 3
    x 146.41 = 439.23 Troy oz. gold.
    Additional Terms of Indenture
    This instrument matures and becomes fully redeemable by issuer at a place to be designated thereby on the FIFTH anniversary date subsequent to date of issuance affixed hereto, which date is permanently inscribed in the space provided below. No redemption prior to that date is authorized by issuer and NO interest shall be payable by issuer at any time prior to the FIFTH anniversary date hereof. Interest shall continue to accrue in the manner described above until redemption by bearer or until issuer calls for redemption of all outstanding instruments issued in the series. Bearer, by possession hereof, accepts all and full responsibility to contact issuer or obtain the most current information from issuer, or authorized agent thereof, respecting redemption policies, schedules and locations. Bearer upon redemption must surrender this instrument in marketable condition and is entitled to be paid, in units of any internationally traded currency of choice or in precious metal bullion, in the amount of Compounded Par Value, less applicable exchange fees. Payment of interest is not prorated over any interval between anniversary dates; only the accrued amount, calculated as of the anniversary date immediately prior to redemption shall be the Redemption Value upon which payment is computed. Additional terms or conditions may become applicable during the term to enhance the value hereof; however, bearer is advised that this instrument, at issuance, is not rated. Also see: National Liberation Program ———– STOP LIES, FRAUD AND DIS-INFORMATION BY UNITED STATES, U N SHAME ? MAD AS HELL AND DOING SOMTHING ABOUT IT ! GOLD FOR SECURTY TO ENFORCE KINGDOM OF HAWAII LAW…GOLD AND OVER TWO BILLION IN AMERICAN GOLD JUDGMENTS TO STAND AS BACK UP FOR KALA………FOR SALE TAONGI ATOLL 50 MILLION IN GOLD. We are a land trust we own aprox. 40% of RMI 11 Atolls over 300 islands. All info at http://www.enenkio.orgKingsTrust@webtv.net mp@enenkio.org 1 808 737-7372 fax/phone 2% fee Best Info (GOOGLE.COM) Taongi Atoll search Robert Moore, president@whitehouse.gov Subject: Hawai`i & EnenKio Kingdoms AMERICA SHAME http://www.enenkio.org.             Hawai`i & EnenKio Kingdoms AMERICA SHAME http://www.enenkio.org.us Welcome to the EnenKio Online Network These pages, this website, the former web host (NetNation), the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio and the people loyal to the king of Eneen-Kio Atoll have been subjected to a wide assortment of deliberate disruptive actions by persons and agencies of the federal government of the United States. These attacks continue to this day. The reasons for these attacks are unknown, as EnenKio seeks only peace and the freedom to express the fundamental rights of the people of EnenKio, its monarch and the imperatives bestowed upon us by our loving Creator. This site has been restored to acquaint you with history, claims and challenges we face as a people striving for equality in a world of antagonistic nations with egocentric goals seeking to “save” (dominate) lesser nations.
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    Background Photo: Courtesy EnenKio Archives “Peacock Point, Wake Island”   TREATY OF
    PEACE,
    FRIENDSHIP AND MUTUAL UNDERSTANDING
    BETWEEN THE KINGDOM OF HAWAI’I
    AND
    THE KINGDOM OF ENENKIO
    WHEREAS, the Kingdom of EnenKio and the Kingdom of Hawai’i, equally animated with the desire of maintaining the relations of good understanding which have hitherto so happily subsisted between their respective states, desire to mutually recognize their respective sovereign nations, and,
    WHEREAS, the respective Governments, being mindful of a progression of relevant historic events surrounding distinct claims over the islands of Eneen-Kio Atoll, also known as Eneen-Kio, Enen-kio, San Francisco, Halcyon, Otori, Wake and by other appellations introduced by visitors to said atoll from Spain, Germany, China, Japan, The Kingdom of Hawai’i, the United States and others, and,
    WHEREAS, the respective Governments wish to forevermore quiet any unresolved territorial claims, perpetuate a circumstance of Peace and ensure good relations between their nations and their peoples, and, WHEREAS, these Governments wish to lawfully recognize the other’s political structure, affirm their national sovereignty and establish formal diplomatic relations, and,
    WHEREAS, these Governments are desirous of promoting economic, social and cultural exchanges and support of all their peoples unalienable natural Rights, substantiated by such landmark charters as all acknowledged scriptures of spiritual enlightenment, the English Magna Charta, the Declaration of Independence, Articles of Confederation, the Constitution and Bill of Rights of the united States of America, the 1839 Hawaiian Declaration of Rights, the lawful Constitutions of these states, the Law of Nations and the Charter of the United Nations, NOW THEREFORE, the appointed Plenipotentiaries of these Governments, who, after having exchanged testimony of their full powers, found in good and due form, have resolved, agreed and signed the covenants in the following articles:
    ARTICLE I
    The Kingdom of Hawai’i and the Kingdom of EnenKio do hereby formally and officially recognize their respective Governments and all the rightful authorities of one another of their Governments to exercise all such inherent powers within their respective jurisdictions as may be provided in accordance with international law and as are or may be established under the Charter of the United Nations for sovereign member states of that organization.
    ARTICLE II
    The Kingdom of Hawai’i and the Kingdom of EnenKio do hereby declare that a state of Perpetual Peace does exist between their sovereign states and peoples.
    ARTICLE III
    The Kingdom of Hawai’i and the Kingdom of EnenKio further declare that they shall undertake such necessary and proper steps as may be appropriate to implement this accord and shall, therefore, enter into such further agreements as may be desirous from time to time to promote and enhance good relations in support of one another in pursuing Perpetual Peace for their peoples and sovereignty of their Governments. ARTICLE IV
    There shall be reciprocal liberty of commerce and navigation between EnenKio and the Hawaiian Islands. No duty of customs, levy or other impost, shall be charged upon any goods, produce or manufacture of one nation, upon importation from such nation into the other, other or higher than the duty or impost charged upon goods of the same kind, imported from any other country. These Governments do hereby agree that the subjects or citizens of one state shall not enjoy any favor, privilege or immunity, in matters of commerce and navigation, which shall not also, at the same time, be extended to the subjects or citizens of the other.
    ARTICLE V
    The Kingdom of Hawai’i and the Kingdom of EnenKio further declare that all reciprocal rights, conferred by any treaty whatsoever signed by the Kingdom of Hawai’i and implemented prior to the 1893 overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom by forces of the United States, shall be hereby affirmed valid and in force with respect to the Kingdom of EnenKio, which shall enjoy the same privileges and power as those of the most favored nations.
    ARTICLE VI
    The Governments hereby grant reciprocal diplomatic recognition of representatives and consuls and shall conduct their diplomatic and consular relations in accordance with those defined and enumerated in the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of April 18, 1961, and the Vienna Convention on Consular Relations of April 24, 1963. Pending accreditation of the permanent staff of each Government’s mission to the other, each shall treat personnel assigned to perform diplomatic or consular functions as if they were members of the other’s permanent mission.
    ARTICLE VII
    The Kingdom of Hawai’i, mindful of the state of war declared to exist over the Kingdom of EnenKio by reason of acts by the federal government of the United States, hereby grants political asylum to representatives of the Kingdom of EnenKio Government, and to such citizens thereof who may elect to request same of the Kingdom of Hawai’i. ARTICLE VIII Following establishment of relations, the two Governments, upon request of either, shall enter into negotiations with the other for the prompt settlement of any claims and other financial and property matters that arise between them. Respecting the former status of Eneen-Kio as a Hawaiian Dependency, the claim is perpetually relinquished in favor of the establishment of administration founded upon Marshallese tradition, culture and system of tenure.
    ARTICLE IX
    There shall be granted to the Government of the Kingdom of EnenKio the liberty of establishing an official embassy, as a Nation in Exile, being under duress, acceptable to and within the grace of the Kingdom of Hawai’i, for the purpose of conducting affairs of state, coinage of money and fiscal instruments or financial notes, issuance of bonds and certificates of indebtedness, administering banking and commercial transactions, and for the printing, sale and use of postal and philatelic products. Reciprocal conditions and state privileges applicable for postal authorities and the mailing of articles as set forth in prevailing directives and the constitution of the Universal Postal Union shall be equally respected.
    ARTICLE X
    No duties of tonnage, harbor, lighthouses, pilotage, quarantine, or other similar duties, of whatever nature, or under whatever denomination, shall be imposed in either state upon the flagged vessels of the other, in respect of voyages between the Kingdom of EnenKio and the Hawaiian Islands. Vessels of one state, which may be employed by the Government of the other, in the carrying of their Public Mail across the Pacific Ocean, or from one port in that ocean to another, shall have free access to the ports of the Hawaiian Islands and EnenKio, with the privilege of stopping therein to refit, to refresh, to land passengers and their baggage and for the transaction of any business pertaining to public Mail services, and be subject in such ports to no duties of tonnage, harbor, lighthouses, quarantine, or other similar duties of whatever nature or of whatever denomination. ARTICLE XI The citizens and subjects of each of the two nations shall be free in the state of the other to manage their own affairs themselves, or to commit those affairs to the management of any persons whom they may appoint as their broker or agent, nor shall the citizens and subjects of the two states be restrained in their choice of person to act in such capacities, nor shall they be called upon to pay and salary or remuneration to any person whom they shall not choose to employ. Absolute freedom shall be given in all cases to the buyer and seller to bargain together and to fix the price of any real property, goods or merchandise imported into, or to be exported from either state, except generally in such case wherein the laws and usages of the country may require the intervention of any special agent in the estate and dominion of the states. ARTICLE XII
    If any ships or other vessels be wrecked on the coasts of either of the states, such vessels, and all furniture and appurtenances belonging thereunto, and all goods and merchandise shall be stored with the least possible delay to the proprietors, which upon being claimed thereby, shall be rendered forthwith. If there are no such proprietors or agents on the spot, then the said goods, as well as any papers found on board such wrecked vessels, shall be delivered to the state consul, or vice consul, in whose district the wreck took place, which consul shall pay any reasonable expenses incurred in the preservation of the property, together with the rate of salvage, and expenses of quarantine which would have been payable in the like case of a wreck of a national vessel, it being understood that in case of any legal claim upon such wreck, goods, or merchandise, the same shall be referred for decision of the competent tribunals of the state.
    ARTICLE XIII
    This Agreement and Treaty of Peace shall enter into force upon signature of the Parties.
    Done in Honolulu, Hawai’i this 9th day of October, 1997, in the English language.
    U.S. SECURITY & EXCHANGE COMMISSION SEEKS INJUNCTION ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS
    ADVISORY
    November 7, 2000: Honolulu, USA –
      Honolulu Advertiser, Honolulu Star Bulletin FROM   EnenKio Ministry of Foreign Affairs REPLY: Mr. Moore is prohibited from talking to you by order of the United States Security & Exchange Commission (hereafter “SEC”). The action against Mr. Moore is an unprovoked attack against a private citizen of the United States, not against an official representative of the Kingdom of EnenKio. The following reply is therefore issued in observance of the sovereign authority of the government of EnenKio to confront disinformation and to provide the whole truth. You are advised that the SEC has not charged the Kingdom of EnenKio with anything. The SEC has no jurisdiction over the Kingdom of EnenKio, a sovereign Pacific Island state. The SEC argument is made solely against Mr. Moore and his personal business affairs. Please be VERY clear about this. Despite heavy scrutiny, the SEC has proved nothing and there were no findings of fact as a result of exhaustive SEC investigations. In other words, SEC has NO proof of wrongdoing by the Kingdom of EnenKio or by any person acting in their official capacities as representatives of the Kingdom of EnenKio. The only thing the SEC accomplished was to prove its arrogance and ignorance, first by circumventing lawful processes and then by bullying up on a single individual veteran-of-war who proudly served the USA. Mr. Moore has spent over 20 years trying to help defenseless Marshallese families over whom the USA has historically dominated, disenfranchised, subverted and literally poisoned with nuclear weapons testing. Lastly, EnenKio has never gotten a fair shake from the media…. ever. They generally have an agenda that fails to honor truth in reporting, but promotes the dissemination of ad copy by sensationalizing events rather than embracing impartial disclosure of factual information. When we choose to respond to the recent attacks on the credibility of our national sovereignty, we will do so in full at our site. Much is there now if one can keep an open mind. We haven’t found that to be in existence in the media…. yet.
    Reply to: EnenKio
    1 808 737-7372 fax/phone

  444. ROBERT MOORE M P ENENKIO
    ass kisser S P O O K U.S.A. ?
    Thu Jan 6, 2005 18:24
    209.240.205.60

    ASS KISSER IS BUSH CREWS S P O O K . The Quatloos Website is a FRAUD Dave Champion thrashes Jay D. Adkisson on American Radio Show, March 6,
    2004
    Beware, tax honesty advocates! There is a lot of snake oil out there, and the most prominent source of anti-tax protester snake oil is the Quatloos website at http://www.quatloos.com. This website is run by a verbally abusive and arrogant lawyer named Jay Adkisson. Below is the picture of him submitted by one of our readers:
    That website has been around for at least the last three years and has been in existence ever since this website stood up. It has become famous for trashing absolutely EVERYONE who wants an accountable and law-abiding government so far as taxation is concerned. From now on,
    we will refer to Mr. Adkisson in this article as AssKisser (or Ass Kisser’s Son, in its long rendition), and the favorite Asses he kisses and brown noses are those of the Senate Finance Committee and the Illegal Robbery Squad (IRS). We use the derogatory term “AssKisser” only because we think Divine Justice ought to operate on him, where he reaps exactly what he sows. His whole website slanders people so he, and only he, definitely ought to get a BIG dose of his own medicine.
    We don’t, however, have to tell untruths in order to discredit him, because the truth about his misdeeds is more damaging than the kinds of deception and lies that he practices. If it’s truth, it isn’t
    slander, but simply “news”. He is among the few people who deserve
    this kind of negative attention.
    “God resists the proud, but gives grace to the humble…..
    Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil [and the Quatloos Website] walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devoir. Resist him, steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same sufferings are experienced by your brotherhood in the world.” [1
    Peter 5:5-9, Bible, NKJV]
    AssKisser has appeared at the Senate Finance Committee hearings several times over the past few years, held usually in April right around tax return time. These meetings have turned into a favorite method of tax terrorism of the American public by the greedy politicians, because they talk about shutting down people’s free speech rights and tax honesty websites in violation of the First Amendment, and they like quoting statistics on all the people who have gone to jail for “not paying their fair share”. Imagine that: Snake Oil salesmen in Congress trying
    to figure out a way to eliminate their competition!
    AssKisser is the favorite fair-haired boy of Senator Charles Grassley, who chairs the Senate Finance Committee. Politicians love him up on Capital$ Hill because he’s so gifted at propaganda, verbal abuse, and slander. You could search his website for days and not find a single reliable fact. The only thing he is interested in is:
    Court rulings below the Supreme Court. He cherry-picks the few
    rulings that DIDN’T go unpublished and which favored the government and then says these are the “gospel”, in spite of the fact that the IRS’ own Internal Revenue Manual says in section 4.10.7.2.9.8 that rulings below the Supreme Court cannot be cited as applying to more than the specific “taxpayer” in question.
    Tax protesters who trash their fellow colleagues. Thurston Bell’s nite.org website has been shut down for quite some time and Thurston himself has been discredited by AssKisser’s own admission, but the AssKisser still loves quoting mainly Mr. Bell’s criticisms of his other fellow tax honesty advocates.
    AssKissers Method of Operation (MO) is as follows:
    Quote irrelevant caselaw if it proves the point you want.
    Ignore the source of jurisdiction in each case he quotes. For
    instance, ignore the citizenship or “taxpayer” status of the
    litigant. This helps reinforce the false notion that ALL AMERICANS
    are “taxpayers”, when in fact they aren’t.
    Print the first rumor that comes along.
    Ignore unpublished cases, which are the majority of cases and all of the cases where people won against the government.
    Don’t pay any attention to the trend to make federal tax cases unpublished. Never mind that the federal judiciary is covering up
    their own wrongdoing in what amounts to obstruction of justice and conspiracy against rights in violation of 18 U.S.C. §241.
    If you don’t understand the arguments or they are too prejudicial to the government, then just call them “frivolous”, which is the intellectually easy and lazy way and verbally abusive way to win any argument.
    When any argument gets too close to the truth, personalize it by slandering the messenger to divert attention away from the facts and the law. That way you never have to admit that you heard the truth.
    That’s EVIL.
    Disregard the fact that the federal government has no jurisdiction inside states of the Union by default and that jurisdiction can only be conferred by a ceding of state jurisdiction under the authority of 40 U.S.C. §255. Yes, the federal government does have very limited
    subject matter jurisdiction within states of the Union for certain very specific things, like mail fraud and counterfeiting, but direct taxation is not an authority delegated to them under the Constitution. The
    only taxing authority they have inside states of the union is on foreign commerce under 1:8:3 of the Constitution. See Chapter 5 of our Great IRS Hoax for a very thorough explanation of why this is the case, which is unrebutted by anyone.
    Since you know that everything you say is lies anyway, don’t ever put your name on anything, and ignore the fact that the IRS does the same thing with their own publication called “The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments”. If it’s not official and there is no formal author, then you can’t be held liable for misrepresentation because no one can prove you wrote it. That’s the key to what we call “plausible deniability” and its the only way to avoid having your license to practice law pulled if the lid ever blows on the huge Pozzi Scheme our government is
    pulling.
    Ignore the definition of “person” used for the criminal provisions of the Internal Revenue Code, which means an officer of a federal corporation or partnership. See also Great IRS Hoax section 5.4.8 and 26 U.S.C. sections 6671(b) and 7343.
    Ignore the fact that there are no implementing regulations under Part of of the CFR authorizing any kind of enforcement actions on Americans living in the 50 states, which by the way are MANDATORY for all enforcement authority. See Great IRS Hoax sections 5.4.6, 5.4.7, and
    15.11.17.
    Confuse people about the meaning of the word “includes”. Make it into
    a “rubber word” that allows definitions to expand to fill any space at the whim of whatever judge is hearing the case. This provides a convenient vehicle to deceive people, to abuse Due Process, to deny justice, and transform our country from a society of laws (see Marbury v. Madison) into a society of men. It also provides a convenient way for judges and the IRS to violate the separation of powers doctrine and commit TREASON. Click here for details.
    Ignore the massive conflicts of interest created by the corruption of our tax system. Click here for details:
    When tax honesty advocates post anything in his Tax Protester Forum that he doesn’t agree with or he can’t argue with, he deletes it rather than responds to it. The forum we started on his website was locked so
    that no one could post to it, because he quite frankly doesn’t want the truth getting out. He is a coward and a Communist!
    ……THIS LIST GOES ON FOREVER. Click here to see more items to add
    to this infinite list.
    AssKisser is deaf to nearly everything and everyone else. He worships the federal judiciary and probably hasn’t cracked open a copy of the Internal Revenue Code or the Treasury Regulations in decades. His website features the most imbalanced and illogical view of federal taxation out there.
    AssKisser also happens to be the most evasive person we’ve met in regards to debating tax honesty issues. We have written this fool on several occasions to determine whether he is capable of rational thought on the subject of taxation. We didn’t contact him to ask questions or ask for legal advice, but only to ask him to rebut the overwhelming evidence of government wrongdoing right out of the government’s own mouth as reflected in the following publications:
    The Great IRS Hoax-book
    Rebutted version of the IRS’ “The Truth About Frivolous Tax Arguments” Rebutted version of the Congressional Research Report 97-59A entitled “Frequently Asked Questions Concerning the Federal Income Tax”.
    IRS Deposition Questions-expanded version of the We the People Truth in Taxation Hearing
    On each and every occasion, instead of sticking to the facts and issues addressed above, he simply returns our inquiry with insults, verbal abuse, and the frequent word “frivolous” without ever explaining why. Remember, the legal definition of the word “frivolous” is “without legal foundation or intended to harass”. We were polite and logical and simply asked for a rebuttal, and we got insults back, because AssKisser knows he would blow up the whole tax system if he told the truth. If
    he rebutted even one issue in any of the above publications, then he would obligate himself to explain all the contradictions and illegalities he then introduces into all of the other facts in the same document, and so he doesn’t dare respond to any of our materials.
    Never start an argument that you can’t win, and never tangle with a legal opponent who has all the evidence.
    AssKisser’s sponsors in the Senate Finance Committee are just as evasive as he is. We’ve sent at least one polite letter to Mr. Grassley
    asking him to rebut our rebutted version of the Congressional Research Report 97-59A entitled “Frequently Asked Questions Concerning the Federal Income Tax” and we got complete silence in return. That is
    what we call a “Fifth Amendment Response”. Read the letter we wrote for yourself.
    AssKisser’s attitude certainly doesn’t help anyone come to the truth of the matter, and we suspect he doesn’t want Americans to know the truth, quite frankly. He is like every other lawyer in the tax
    profession: His main goal is to keep the Truth about taxation OUT of the courtroom and out of the hands of the American public. As long as confusion and uncertainty and fear prevail in federal courtrooms all over the country in regards to taxation, then the Feudal system of Taxation that we have can continue unabated, and maintaining the status quo on federal taxation is where most of his bread and butter comes
    from.
    We wrote AssKisser several emails. Most recently, we asked him where
    he gets his funding. I’m sure you realize that lawyers don’t work for free, and in most cases, they entered the profession so they could get rich quick. Here was the interchange:
    QUESTION:

    Name: Mark
    City: San Diego
    State: CA
    Country: US

    Question: Since your site focuses on tax, trust, and money scams and is political in nature, its entirely appropriate as a nonprofit organization that you fully disclose where your contributions come from. This kind of full disclosure would bolster your credibility. I would like to donate but I refuse to do so without a full disclosure of your recipients and/or donating organizations. In particular, I would also like to know how much of the money comes either directly or indirectly from the following organizations:
    1. The U.S. government
    2. State governments
    3. The American Bar Association
    4. Trial lawyers.
    5. Individuals not connected directly or indirectly with any of the above (as a percentage). I don’t want to know individual names.
    Mark

    ANSWER:

    Sure! The percentage of funding we receive is below:
    1. The U.S. government
    NONE.
    2. State governments
    NONE.
    3. The American Bar Association
    NONE.
    4. Trial lawyers.
    NONE.
    5. Individuals not connected directly or indirectly with any of the above (as a percentage).
    100% (mostly from mug sales — people love our mugs, but our caps are
    cool
    too!).

    Also, we are not a political group and do not advocate the election of any candidate of any party whatsoever.

    Hope this helps!
    Quatloos!
    He has only been selling mugs for about one of the last three years. How many of you believe that a tax lawyer, most of whom earn $300 or more per hour, is going to work basically for charity. And how
    many of you believe that the the very uncharitable things he says about tax honesty advocates have a charitable motive? Click here to read a few samples. We don’t believe that his efforts are charitable in any sense of the word. Charitable causes don’t trash people. We don’t trash people, we criticize bad (sinful) behavior, but no people. We don’t hate AssKisser, but we hate the evil that he does to people by misinforming them and by lying to them about what the tax laws say. AssKisser also contradicted his own words above in a posting on his Tax Protester’s forum on July 28, 2003, in which he said:
    I’m tempted to have the non-profit that sponsors Quatloos!, i.e., Financial and Tax Fraud Education Associates, Inc., apply for leave to join the suit as Amicus Curiae, and then immediately file a motion for Rule 11 sanctions against WTP and all involved. Those possibly interested in helping out with a such a lawsuit, contact me offline. Wait a minute! First he says all his revenues come from coffee mugs, and then he turns around and says that he instead is sponsored by a nonprofit group. You can’t have it both ways. Either coffee mugs
    or an external organization sponsor the costs, but he only mentioned one of the two so AssKisser must be a liar. Right after we posted this article, Mr. AssKisser trumped himself again in response to it. We found the above quote by searching his online forums using the “Search” button. Well, apparently when Mr. Askisser read this article, he responded by removing the “Search” button from his Tax Protester Forum to make it more difficult to find postings made by him that would further expose his fraudulent dealings! Click here and visit his tax protester forums and try to locate a “search” button for yourself if you don’t believe us!
    Below is how the Apostle Paul responded to people like AssKisser, which is consistent with how we view him:
    “For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers [at the IRS], specially they of the circumcision:
    Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses [and families], teaching [and saying] things [about the tax laws] which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s [money’s] sake.
    One of themselves, [even] a prophet of their own [Senator Grassley of the Senate Finance Committee], said, The Cretians [tax protesters are] always liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
    This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them [IRS and government and AssKisser] sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
    Not giving heed to Jewish fables [in this case, the Internal Revenue Manual or the IRS Publications], and commandments of men [their 800 telephone support service, that gives wrong advice over 60% of the time by the IRS’ own admission], that turn from the truth.
    Unto the pure all things [are] pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving [is] nothing pure [the IRS and the Congress and AssKisser]; but even their mind and conscience is defiled [their conscience has been warped because they took a bribe [by being a consultant, in the case of AssKisser, in violation of Exodus 23:8].
    They profess that they know God [and at least PRETEND that they love their brother and the people they serve]; but in [EVIL] works they deny [Him], being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.” [Titus 1:10-16, Bible, NKJV]

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  446. “Dirty Foreigners!”
    I don’t think foreigners are dirty. I think you meant ILLEGAL Foreigners.

    “And incidentally, those illegal immigrants? They’re the ones building the houses you live in ­ doing the real grunt work of masonry, carpentry, and general construction labor. Once the houses are built, they’ll be the ones you call to clean your house. And serve you at fast food restaurants. And
    help you find your stuff at Home Depot. And man the cash register at Wal-Mart. And be a nanny to your kids and caretaker to your elderly parents. And do all the other hard, grinding, thankless labor that you, and other
    Americans, really don’t want to do.” Excuse me, is this or is this not a choice? If not, who exactly makes them do it. They could stay in their own country.

    P.S. What kind of work do you do?

  447. Be cause of the DROP IN U.S. MONEY WE ARE NOW SIXTY MILLION IN GOLD…

    Robert Moore
    UNITED STATES OF AMERICA L I E S
    Mon Sep 4, 2006 06:33
    65.54.97.150

    citydesk@starbulletin.com From: Robert
    Moore Subject: 2006 11:37 PM TO STOP UNITED STATES of AMERICA LIES FRAUD
    DISINFORMATION by BUSH ASSKISSERS SPOOKS j. adkisson esq. …WE ARE OFFERING
    THE WORLDS MOST PRISTINE ATOLL FOR SALE FOR AS A SOVEREIGN NATION TAONGI
    ATOLL With eez of 200 miles with un touched national fishing rights, As the
    second highest mountain in the world minerals are a best kept U. N. fact….
    Home > Pacific Ocean > Marshall Islands > Taongi Atoll ISS006-E-39647 17
    March 2003 20:11 UTC Taongi Atoll (sometimes known as Bokak) is the northernmost
    of the Marshall Islands . It is considered as a member of the Ratak chain
    of atolls, although lies a considerable distance north of this group ?? Bikar
    lies around 250 km to the southeast. The atoll has a half-moon shape, with
    its west, north and northeast sides consisting solely of a submerged reef
    crest. Only in the southwest is there found any permanent land ?? where a
    series of 3 large elongated islands and 8 smaller islets are located. They
    a combined area of 3.2 km?. The central lagoon of Taongi covers an area of
    78 km?. As a stepped lagoon it sets 6-8 above ocean level…. copyright ?
    2006 oceandots.com all rights reserved image: earth sciences and image analysis
    laboratory, nasa johnson space center. Marshall Islands Ailinginae Atoll
    Ailinglaplap Atoll Ailuk Atoll Arno Atoll Aur Atoll Bikar Atoll Bikini Atoll
    Ebon Atoll Enewetak Atoll Erikub Atoll Jabwot Island Jaluit Atoll Jemo Kili
    Island Knox Atoll Kwajalein Lae Atoll Likiep Atoll Majuro Atoll Maloelap
    Atoll Mejit Island Mili Atoll Namorik Atoll Namu Atoll Rongelap Atoll Rongerik
    Atoll Taka Atoll Taongi Atoll Ujae Atoll Ujelang Atoll Utrik Atoll Wotho
    Atoll Wotje Atoll other images/ “HAWAI’I ENENKIO KINGSTRUST GOLD BONDS’ kingstrust@msn.com
    or RobertMoore270@msn.com – 1 808 944-3088 Kingdom of Hawai’i declares independence
    – Health Supreme The Kingdom of Hawai’i and the Kingdom of EnenKio do hereby
    formally and … ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS. ADVISORY. November 7, 2000 ….
    10:47pm To: president@whitehouse.gov, enenkio@webtv.net, KingsTrust … http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/07/26/kingdom_of_hawaii_declares_independence.htm
    Call for a Protest Against Gov. Complicity on 9/11/01 : LA IMC News Release
    – Gold Bonds June 4, 1999: Replies … Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 3:32 PM.
    kingstrust@webtv.net 1 808 944-3088 817 Paani St. hon. Hawai’i … SEEKS
    INJUNCTION ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS ADVISORY … http://la.indymedia.org/news/2002/07/18061_comment.php
    The Outrage – Rageback – August 18, 2000 … The EnenKio Gold Bond Program
    Overview The Kingdom of EnenKio has implemented distribution of government
    development bonds … at http://www.enenkio.org – KingsTrust … Hawai`i
    & EnenKio Kingdoms … https://www.dailyoutrage.com/rageback/00-08-18.html
    HawaiiansAbroad Message Board … 60 MILLION IN GOLD. We are a land trust
    we own aprox. 40% of RMI 11 Atolls over 300 islands. All info at http://www.enenkio.org
    – KingsTrust … Hawai`i & EnenKio Kingdoms … ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS
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    bush crews american SHAME! … KingsTrust@webtv.net Subject: Fwd: AMERICANS
    HOAX ENENKIO … Gold Bond Program Overview . The Kingdom of EnenKio has
    implemented distribution of government development bonds … EnenKio and
    the Kingdom of Hawai’i … http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/05-26-05/discussion.cgi.52.html
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  448. citydesk@starbulletin.com
    Cc: president@whitehouse.gov, google@google.com
    From: Robert Moore
    Subject: kingstrust.net – enenkio.org
    Date: Thursday, August 17, 2006 11:37 PM
    TO STOP UNITED STATES of AMERICA LIES FRAUD DISINFORMATION by BUSH ASSKISSERS SPOOKS j. adkisson esq. …WE ARE OFFERING THE WORLDS MOST PRISTINE ATOLL FOR SALE FOR AS A SOVEREIGN NATION TAONGI ATOLL With eez of 200 miles with un touched national fishing rights, As the second highest mountain in the world minerals are a best kept U. N. fact…. Home > Pacific Ocean > Marshall Islands > Taongi Atoll
    ISS006-E-39647 17 March 2003 20:11 UTC Taongi Atoll (sometimes known as Bokak) is the northernmost of the Marshall Islands (with the exception of the distant outlier of the US-owned Wake Atoll). It is considered as a member of the Ratak chain of atolls, although lies a considerable distance north of this group €” Bikar lies around 250 km to the southeast.
    The atoll has a half-moon shape, with its west, north and northeast sides consisting solely of a submerged reef crest. Only in the southwest is there found any permanent land €” where a series of 3 large elongated islands and 8 smaller islets are located. They a combined area of 3.2 km². The central lagoon of Taongi covers an area of 78 km². As a stepped lagoon it sets 6-8 above ocean level….
    copyright © 2006 oceandots.com all rights reserved
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    Marshall Islands
    Ailinginae Atoll
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    Bikar Atoll
    Bikini Atoll
    Ebon Atoll
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    Erikub Atoll
    Jabwot Island
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    Jemo
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    Kwajalein
    Lae Atoll
    Likiep Atoll
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    Mejit Island
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    “HAWAI’I ENENKIO KINGSTRUST GOLD BONDS’ kingstrust@msn.com or RobertMoore270@msn.com – 1 808 944-3088
    Kingdom of Hawai’i declares independence – Health Supreme
    The Kingdom of Hawai’i and the Kingdom of EnenKio do hereby formally and … ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS. ADVISORY. November 7, 2000 … 10:47pm To: president@whitehouse.gov, enenkio@webtv.net, KingsTrust …
    http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2003/07/26/kingdom_of_hawaii_declares_independence.htm
    Call for a Protest Against Gov. Complicity on 9/11/01 : LA IMC
    News Release – Gold Bonds June 4, 1999: Replies … Tuesday, May. 30, 2006 at 3:32 PM. kingstrust@webtv.net 1 808 944-3088 817 Paani St. hon. Hawai’i … SEEKS INJUNCTION ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS ADVISORY …
    http://la.indymedia.org/news/2002/07/18061_comment.php
    The Outrage – Rageback – August 18, 2000
    … The EnenKio Gold Bond Program Overview The Kingdom of EnenKio has implemented distribution of government development bonds … at http://www.enenkio.org – KingsTrust … Hawai`i & EnenKio Kingdoms …
    https://www.dailyoutrage.com/rageback/00-08-18.html
    HawaiiansAbroad Message Board
    … 60 MILLION IN GOLD. We are a land trust we own aprox. 40% of RMI 11 Atolls over 300 islands. All info at http://www.enenkio.org – KingsTrust … Hawai`i & EnenKio Kingdoms … ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS …
    U.S. SECURITY & EXCHANGE COMMISSION SEEKS INJUNCTION
    ON SALE OF ENENKIO BONDS
    ADVISORY
    November 7, 2000: Honolulu, USA —
    TO: Honolulu Advertiser; Honolulu Star Bulletin
    FROM: EnenKio Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    REPLY: Mr. Moore is prohibited from talking to you by order of the United States Security & Exchange Commission (hereafter “SEC”). The action against Mr. Moore is an unprovoked attack against a private citizen of the United States, not against an official representative of the Kingdom of EnenKio. The following reply is therefore issued in observance of the sovereign authority of the government of EnenKio to confront disinformation and to provide the whole truth.
    You are advised that the SEC has not charged the Kingdom of EnenKio with anything. The SEC has no jurisdiction over the Kingdom of EnenKio, a sovereign Pacific Island state. The SEC argument is made solely against Mr. Moore and his personal business affairs. Please be VERY clear about this.
    Despite heavy scrutiny, the SEC has proved nothing and there were no findings of fact as a result of exhaustive SEC investigations. In other words, SEC has NO proof of wrongdoing by the Kingdom of EnenKio or by any person acting in their official capacities as representatives of the Kingdom of EnenKio.
    The only thing the SEC accomplished was to prove its arrogance and ignorance, first by circumventing lawful processes and then by bullying up on a single individual veteran-of-war who proudly served the USA. Mr. Moore has spent over 20 years trying to help defenseless Marshallese families over whom the USA has historically dominated, disenfranchised, subverted and literally poisoned with nuclear weapons testing.
    Lastly, EnenKio has never gotten a fair shake from the media…. ever. They generally have an agenda that fails to honor truth in reporting, but promotes the dissemination of ad copy by sensationalizing events rather than embracing impartial disclosure of factual information. When we choose to respond to the recent attacks on the credibility of our national sovereignty, we will do so in full at our site. Much is there now if one can keep an open mind. We haven’t found that to be in existence in the media…. yet.
    Reply to: EnenKio.org

  449. HANG ON TO ENENKIO GOLD ———– S T O P ! UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LIES WORLD FRAUD BY BUSH SPOOKS PAID MEDIA AGENTS OR ASSKISSERS… Gold and Economic Freedom by Alan Greenspan [written in 1966] This article originally appeared in a newsletter: The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand’s Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions. They seem to sense – perhaps more clearly and subtly than many consistent defenders of laissez-faire – that gold and economic freedom are inseparable, that the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and that each implies and requires the other. In order to understand the source of their antagonism, it is necessary first to understand the specific role of gold in a free society. Money is the common denominator of all economic transactions. It is that commodity which serves as a medium of exchange, is universally acceptable to all participants in an exchange economy as payment for their goods or services, and can, therefore, be used as a standard of market value and as a store of value, i.e., as a means of saving. The existence of such a commodity is a precondition of a division of labor economy. If men did not have some commodity of objective value which was generally acceptable as money, they would have to resort to primitive barter or be forced to live on self-sufficient farms and forgo the inestimable advantages of specialization. If men had no means to store value, i.e., to save, neither long-range planning nor exchange would be possible. What medium of exchange will be acceptable to all participants in an economy is not determined arbitrarily. First, the medium of exchange should be durable. In a primitive society of meager wealth, wheat might be sufficiently durable to serve as a medium, since all exchanges would occur only during and immediately after the harvest, leaving no value-surplus to store. But where store-of-value considerations are important, as they are in richer, more civilized societies, the medium of exchange must be a durable commodity, usually a metal. A metal is generally chosen because it is homogeneous and divisible: every unit is the same as every other and it can be blended or formed in any quantity. Precious jewels, for example, are neither homogeneous nor divisible. More important, the commodity chosen as a medium must be a luxury. Human desires for luxuries are unlimited and, therefore, luxury goods are always in demand and will always be acceptable. Wheat is a luxury in underfed civilizations, but not in a prosperous society. Cigarettes ordinarily would not serve as money, but they did in post-World War II Europe where they were considered a luxury. The term “luxury good” implies scarcity and high unit value. Having a high unit value, such a good is easily portable; for instance, an ounce of gold is worth a half-ton of pig iron. In the early stages of a developing money economy, several media of exchange might be used, since a wide variety of commodities would fulfill the foregoing conditions. However, one of the commodities will gradually displace all others, by being more widely acceptable. Preferences on what to hold as a store of value, will shift to the most widely acceptable commodity, which, in turn, will make it still more acceptable. The shift is progressive until that commodity becomes the sole medium of exchange. The use of a single medium is highly advantageous for the same reasons that a money economy is superior to a barter economy: it makes exchanges possible on an incalculably wider scale. Whether the single medium is gold, silver, seashells, cattle, or tobacco is optional, depending on the context and development of a given economy. In fact, all have been employed, at various times, as media of exchange. Even in the present century, two major commodities, gold and silver, have been used as international media of exchange, with gold becoming the predominant one. Gold, having both artistic and functional uses and being relatively scarce, has significant advantages over all other media of exchange. Since the beginning of World War I, it has been virtually the sole international standard of exchange. If all goods and services were to be paid for in gold, large payments would be difficult to execute and this would tend to limit the extent of a society’s divisions of labor and specialization. Thus a logical extension of the creation of a medium of exchange is the development of a banking system and credit instruments (bank notes and deposits) which act as a substitute for, but are convertible into, gold. A free banking system based on gold is able to extend credit and thus to create bank notes (currency) and deposits, according to the production requirements of the economy. Individual owners of gold are induced, by payments of interest, to deposit their gold in a bank (against which they can draw checks). But since it is rarely the case that all depositors want to withdraw all their gold at the same time, the banker need keep only a fraction of his total deposits in gold as reserves. This enables the banker to loan out more than the amount of his gold deposits (which means that he holds claims to gold rather than gold as security of his deposits). But the amount of loans which he can afford to make is not arbitrary: he has to gauge it in relation to his reserves and to the status of his investments. When banks loan money to finance productive and profitable endeavors, the loans are paid off rapidly and bank credit continues to be generally available. But when the business ventures financed by bank credit are less profitable and slow to pay off, bankers soon find that their loans outstanding are excessive relative to their gold reserves, and they begin to curtail new lending, usually by charging higher interest rates. This tends to restrict the financing of new ventures and requires the existing borrowers to improve their profitability before they can obtain credit for further expansion. Thus, under the gold standard, a free banking system stands as the protector of an economy’s stability and balanced growth. When gold is accepted as the medium of exchange by most or all nations, an unhampered free international gold standard serves to foster a world-wide division of labor and the broadest international trade. Even though the units of exchange (the dollar, the pound, the franc, etc.) differ from country to country, when all are defined in terms of gold the economies of the different countries act as one-so long as there are no restraints on trade or on the movement of capital. Credit, interest rates, and prices tend to follow similar patterns in all countries. For example, if banks in one country extend credit too liberally, interest rates in that country will tend to fall, inducing depositors to shift their gold to higher-interest paying banks in other countries. This will immediately cause a shortage of bank reserves in the “easy money” country, inducing tighter credit standards and a return to competitively higher interest rates again. A fully free banking system and fully consistent gold standard have not as yet been achieved. But prior to World War I, the banking system in the United States (and in most of the world) was based on gold and even though governments intervened occasionally, banking was more free than controlled. Periodically, as a result of overly rapid credit expansion, banks became loaned up to the limit of their gold reserves, interest rates rose sharply, new credit was cut off, and the economy went into a sharp, but short-lived recession. (Compared with the depressions of 1920 and 1932, the pre-World War I business declines were mild indeed.) It was limited gold reserves that stopped the unbalanced expansions of business activity, before they could develop into the post-World Was I type of disaster. The readjustment periods were short and the economies quickly reestablished a sound basis to resume expansion. But the process of cure was misdiagnosed as the disease: if shortage of bank reserves was causing a business decline-argued economic interventionists-why not find a way of supplying increased reserves to the banks so they never need be short! If banks can continue to loan money indefinitely-it was claimed-there need never be any slumps in business. And so the Federal Reserve System was organized in 1913. It consisted of twelve regional Federal Reserve banks nominally owned by private bankers, but in fact government sponsored, controlled, and supported. Credit extended by these banks is in practice (though not legally) backed by the taxing power of the federal government. Technically, we remained on the gold standard; individuals were still free to own gold, and gold continued to be used as bank reserves. But now, in addition to gold, credit extended by the Federal Reserve banks (“paper reserves”) could serve as legal tender to pay depositors. When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve’s attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain’s gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates. The “Fed” succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930’s. With a logic reminiscent of a generation earlier, statists argued that the gold standard was largely to blame for the credit debacle which led to the Great Depression. If the gold standard had not existed, they argued, Britain’s abandonment of gold payments in 1931 would not have caused the failure of banks all over the world. (The irony was that since 1913, we had been, not on a gold standard, but on what may be termed “a mixed gold standard”; yet it is gold that took the blame.) But the opposition to the gold standard in any form-from a growing number of welfare-state advocates-was prompted by a much subtler insight: the realization that the gold standard is incompatible with chronic deficit spending (the hallmark of the welfare state). Stripped of its academic jargon, the welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which governments confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a wide variety of welfare schemes. A substantial part of the confiscation is effected by taxation. But the welfare statists were quick to recognize that if they wished to retain political power, the amount of taxation had to be limited and they had to resort to programs of massive deficit spending, i.e., they had to borrow money, by issuing government bonds, to finance welfare expenditures on a large scale. Under a gold standard, the amount of credit that an economy can support is determined by the economy’s tangible assets, since every credit instrument is ultimately a claim on some tangible asset. But government bonds are not backed by tangible wealth, only by the government’s promise to pay out of future tax revenues, and cannot easily be absorbed by the financial markets. A large volume of new government bonds can be sold to the public only at progressively higher interest rates. Thus, government deficit spending under a gold standard is severely limited. The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. They have created paper reserves in the form of government bonds which-through a complex series of steps-the banks accept in place of tangible assets and treat as if they were an actual deposit, i.e., as the equivalent of what was formerly a deposit of gold. The holder of a government bond or of a bank deposit created by paper reserves believes that he has a valid claim on a real asset. But the fact is that there are now more claims outstanding than real assets. The law of supply and demand is not to be conned. As the supply of money (of claims) increases relative to the supply of tangible assets in the economy, prices must eventually rise. Thus the earnings saved by the productive members of the society lose value in terms of goods. When the economy’s books are finally balanced, one finds that this loss in value represents the goods purchased by the government for welfare or other purposes with the money proceeds of the government bonds financed by bank credit expansion. In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists’ tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists’ antagonism toward the gold standard. ### Alan Greenspan [written in 1966] This article originally appeared in a newsletter called The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand’s Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal Buy the book from Amazon reprinted at 321gold RobertMoore270@msn.com
    HANG ON TO ENENKIO GOLD ———– S T O P ! UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LIES WORLD FRAUD BY BUSH SPOOKS PAID MEDIA AGENTS OR ASSKISSERS… Gold and Economic Freedom by Alan Greenspan [written in 1966] This article originally appeared in a newsletter: The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand’s Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal An almost hysterical antagonism toward the gold standard is one issue which unites statists of all persuasions. They seem to sense – perhaps more clearly and subtly than many consistent defenders of laissez-faire – that gold and economic freedom are inseparable, that the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and that each implies and requires the other. In order to understand the source of their antagonism, it is necessary first to understand the specific role of gold in a free society. Money is the common denominator of all economic transactions. It is that commodity which serves as a medium of exchange, is universally acceptable to all participants in an exchange economy as payment for their goods or services, and can, therefore, be used as a standard of market value and as a store of value, i.e., as a means of saving. The existence of such a commodity is a precondition of a division of labor economy. If men did not have some commodity of objective value which was generally acceptable as money, they would have to resort to primitive barter or be forced to live on self-sufficient farms and forgo the inestimable advantages of specialization. If men had no means to store value, i.e., to save, neither long-range planning nor exchange would be possible. What medium of exchange will be acceptable to all participants in an economy is not determined arbitrarily. First, the medium of exchange should be durable. 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Cigarettes ordinarily would not serve as money, but they did in post-World War II Europe where they were considered a luxury. The term “luxury good” implies scarcity and high unit value. Having a high unit value, such a good is easily portable; for instance, an ounce of gold is worth a half-ton of pig iron. In the early stages of a developing money economy, several media of exchange might be used, since a wide variety of commodities would fulfill the foregoing conditions. However, one of the commodities will gradually displace all others, by being more widely acceptable. Preferences on what to hold as a store of value, will shift to the most widely acceptable commodity, which, in turn, will make it still more acceptable. The shift is progressive until that commodity becomes the sole medium of exchange. The use of a single medium is highly advantageous for the same reasons that a money economy is superior to a barter economy: it makes exchanges possible on an incalculably wider scale. 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But the amount of loans which he can afford to make is not arbitrary: he has to gauge it in relation to his reserves and to the status of his investments. When banks loan money to finance productive and profitable endeavors, the loans are paid off rapidly and bank credit continues to be generally available. But when the business ventures financed by bank credit are less profitable and slow to pay off, bankers soon find that their loans outstanding are excessive relative to their gold reserves, and they begin to curtail new lending, usually by charging higher interest rates. This tends to restrict the financing of new ventures and requires the existing borrowers to improve their profitability before they can obtain credit for further expansion. Thus, under the gold standard, a free banking system stands as the protector of an economy’s stability and balanced growth. When gold is accepted as the medium of exchange by most or all nations, an unhampered free international gold standard serves to foster a world-wide division of labor and the broadest international trade. Even though the units of exchange (the dollar, the pound, the franc, etc.) differ from country to country, when all are defined in terms of gold the economies of the different countries act as one-so long as there are no restraints on trade or on the movement of capital. Credit, interest rates, and prices tend to follow similar patterns in all countries. For example, if banks in one country extend credit too liberally, interest rates in that country will tend to fall, inducing depositors to shift their gold to higher-interest paying banks in other countries. This will immediately cause a shortage of bank reserves in the “easy money” country, inducing tighter credit standards and a return to competitively higher interest rates again. A fully free banking system and fully consistent gold standard have not as yet been achieved. But prior to World War I, the banking system in the United States (and in most of the world) was based on gold and even though governments intervened occasionally, banking was more free than controlled. Periodically, as a result of overly rapid credit expansion, banks became loaned up to the limit of their gold reserves, interest rates rose sharply, new credit was cut off, and the economy went into a sharp, but short-lived recession. (Compared with the depressions of 1920 and 1932, the pre-World War I business declines were mild indeed.) It was limited gold reserves that stopped the unbalanced expansions of business activity, before they could develop into the post-World Was I type of disaster. The readjustment periods were short and the economies quickly reestablished a sound basis to resume expansion. But the process of cure was misdiagnosed as the disease: if shortage of bank reserves was causing a business decline-argued economic interventionists-why not find a way of supplying increased reserves to the banks so they never need be short! If banks can continue to loan money indefinitely-it was claimed-there need never be any slumps in business. And so the Federal Reserve System was organized in 1913. It consisted of twelve regional Federal Reserve banks nominally owned by private bankers, but in fact government sponsored, controlled, and supported. Credit extended by these banks is in practice (though not legally) backed by the taxing power of the federal government. Technically, we remained on the gold standard; individuals were still free to own gold, and gold continued to be used as bank reserves. But now, in addition to gold, credit extended by the Federal Reserve banks (“paper reserves”) could serve as legal tender to pay depositors. When business in the United States underwent a mild contraction in 1927, the Federal Reserve created more paper reserves in the hope of forestalling any possible bank reserve shortage. More disastrous, however, was the Federal Reserve’s attempt to assist Great Britain who had been losing gold to us because the Bank of England refused to allow interest rates to rise when market forces dictated (it was politically unpalatable). The reasoning of the authorities involved was as follows: if the Federal Reserve pumped excessive paper reserves into American banks, interest rates in the United States would fall to a level comparable with those in Great Britain; this would act to stop Britain’s gold loss and avoid the political embarrassment of having to raise interest rates. The “Fed” succeeded; it stopped the gold loss, but it nearly destroyed the economies of the world, in the process. The excess credit which the Fed pumped into the economy spilled over into the stock market-triggering a fantastic speculative boom. Belatedly, Federal Reserve officials attempted to sop up the excess reserves and finally succeeded in braking the boom. But it was too late: by 1929 the speculative imbalances had become so overwhelming that the attempt precipitated a sharp retrenching and a consequent demoralizing of business confidence. As a result, the American economy collapsed. Great Britain fared even worse, and rather than absorb the full consequences of her previous folly, she abandoned the gold standard completely in 1931, tearing asunder what remained of the fabric of confidence and inducing a world-wide series of bank failures. The world economies plunged into the Great Depression of the 1930’s. With a logic reminiscent of a generation earlier, statists argued that the gold standard was largely to blame for the credit debacle which led to the Great Depression. If the gold standard had not existed, they argued, Britain’s abandonment of gold payments in 1931 would not have caused the failure of banks all over the world. (The irony was that since 1913, we had been, not on a gold standard, but on what may be termed “a mixed gold standard”; yet it is gold that took the blame.) But the opposition to the gold standard in any form-from a growing number of welfare-state advocates-was prompted by a much subtler insight: the realization that the gold standard is incompatible with chronic deficit spending (the hallmark of the welfare state). Stripped of its academic jargon, the welfare state is nothing more than a mechanism by which governments confiscate the wealth of the productive members of a society to support a wide variety of welfare schemes. A substantial part of the confiscation is effected by taxation. But the welfare statists were quick to recognize that if they wished to retain political power, the amount of taxation had to be limited and they had to resort to programs of massive deficit spending, i.e., they had to borrow money, by issuing government bonds, to finance welfare expenditures on a large scale. Under a gold standard, the amount of credit that an economy can support is determined by the economy’s tangible assets, since every credit instrument is ultimately a claim on some tangible asset. But government bonds are not backed by tangible wealth, only by the government’s promise to pay out of future tax revenues, and cannot easily be absorbed by the financial markets. A large volume of new government bonds can be sold to the public only at progressively higher interest rates. Thus, government deficit spending under a gold standard is severely limited. The abandonment of the gold standard made it possible for the welfare statists to use the banking system as a means to an unlimited expansion of credit. They have created paper reserves in the form of government bonds which-through a complex series of steps-the banks accept in place of tangible assets and treat as if they were an actual deposit, i.e., as the equivalent of what was formerly a deposit of gold. The holder of a government bond or of a bank deposit created by paper reserves believes that he has a valid claim on a real asset. But the fact is that there are now more claims outstanding than real assets. The law of supply and demand is not to be conned. As the supply of money (of claims) increases relative to the supply of tangible assets in the economy, prices must eventually rise. Thus the earnings saved by the productive members of the society lose value in terms of goods. When the economy’s books are finally balanced, one finds that this loss in value represents the goods purchased by the government for welfare or other purposes with the money proceeds of the government bonds financed by bank credit expansion. In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold. If everyone decided, for example, to convert all his bank deposits to silver or copper or any other good, and thereafter declined to accept checks as payment for goods, bank deposits would lose their purchasing power and government-created bank credit would be worthless as a claim on goods. The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists’ tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists’ antagonism toward the gold standard. ### Alan Greenspan [written in 1966] This article originally appeared in a newsletter called The Objectivist published in 1966 and was reprinted in Ayn Rand’s Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal Buy the book from Amazon reprinted at 321gold RobertMoore270@msn.com

  450. Where is the U.S.A. Gold Americans … PLEASE STOP UNITED STATES OF AMERICA LIES WORLD FRAUD DISINFORMATION WORLDS PARTNERS WANTED for LAND-OPTIONS-SALES-DEVELOPMENTS The Kingdom of EnenKio – Government Bond Program – The EnenKio Gold Bond Program Overview The Kingdom of EnenKio has implemented distribution of government development bonds, as bearer’s instruments in friendly nations, backed by gold reserves, guarantees, real property or other assets. Use of bond capital, US$200 million per atoll, is to begin developing each of 5 King’s atolls in the Marshall Islands, by way of joint ventures with the Remios Hermios Eleemosynary Trust (RHET), which will provide free or subsidized services to both residents and consumers, as briefly outlined below: Atoll Infrastructure Land ? Atolls to be developed are subdivided into wetos or segments radiating from a central point in the lagoon and further into plots. Each plot sold or leased is delivered with title and title insurance. Landowners receive proportional compensation for use of land developed within their weto. (Based on 10, 000 units) Systems – All systems will employ affordable innovative technologies for simplicity, environmental sustainability and efficiency. The utmost care is exercised to preserve the current pristine nature of the landscape. Building systems shall make use of custom prefab wall systems, recycled materials and coconut lumber laminates made on site. Water retrieval involves numerous drilled wells and pumps linked on all islands to a circular underground distribution and processing system. Sewage systems are buried in the lagoon, have access to every island and terminate in 4 deep ocean out falls. Selective management on the basis of ocean currents and tides controls discharge of residue. Treatment is minimal accomplished primarily at points of origination using ‘dry’ toilets and subsequent pulverization. Gray water is treated and used in agriculture. Power systems incorporate electricity, cable and phone lines bundled and accessible to every island. (Based on 20, 000 units) Transportation ?100 electric trucks mobilize land transport without a fee. Both high-speed surface watercraft and amphibian Vertical Takeoff and Landing (VTOL) aircraft are employed for passengers and cargo, larger craft serve inter-atoll and international needs. 5 ocean tugs and barges provide service and support, such as container off-loading and towing duties. Medical ? Professional services, remedial care, emergency medical services, paramedic training and search and rescue are provided by 5 hospital ships and 5 air ambulances (VTOL aircraft). Projects Floating Hotel ? A turnkey 200-suite hotel (‘Embassy Suites’ quality) is moored in the lagoon of the atoll where the King resides. Services include restaurants, casino, ballrooms, shopping and craft shops. The lower level provides for parking, storage, mechanical and maintenance spaces. A dock system accommodating 200 boats and yachts to 100 feet is attached. Visiting yachts receive use of an electric car, power, TV, phone cable and security for a respectable well-below-market price. The whole structure rides on the tides. Fishing Fleet ? A fleet of 100 fishing boats will offload their catch at 5 shore-based processing plants, each with a different end product. Fuel Oil Production ? 25 portable copra gins will produce oils, fuels and other products for consumption, power, filtration and storage, such as barrels, using existing natural raw materials. Coconut Lumber ? 25 semi-portable mills will produce laminate lumber, chips and wood for construction. Harvesting older non-productive trees will require planting new-variety coconut trees on a one-for-one basis. Docks ? An average of 20 floating dock systems will be placed in each of 5 lagoons., residential or business units may be attached to dock for access to land and water transports. These dock systems form central distribution points for services and are linked by intra-atoll electric transports. 5 municipal centers will facilitate access to administrative services and provide chambers for local council meetings. Communications ? Wherever power is supplied, cable and lines will permit electronic data and voice access to the global community. A satellite telecommunications station for each of 5 atolls will provide around-the-clock connectivity. Bond Sample Disclaimer and Notice to Bearer (printed on the reverse face of bonds) This instrument is issued under authority of the Executive Council, by Royal Commission, Government of the Kingdom of EnenKio. Bearer, by lawful possession, agrees to and accepts all conditions, risks, provisions and terms, whether expressed or implied, that apply to acquisition, possession and redemption hereof. Bearer is advised that laws of the country in which bearer takes or negotiates possession hereof may apply to this instrument or to any subsequent transaction herewith, such laws of any said country, whether expressed or implied, shall not subject issuer to its jurisdiction thereby. All lawful exchanges hereof are considered by issuer to be ‘offshore transactions’, as such term is generally understood in the international marketplace. Issuer does not warrant merchantability or market value hereof. Issuer does not insure this instrument or indemnify bearer hereof. Issuer keeps no record respecting identity of original purchaser. Bearer is advised to take every appropriate action necessary to protect or safeguard this instrument. Bearer is further advised that, respecting this printed instrument, the (1) actual value is negligible, (2) market value is not set or determined by issuer and may fluctuate without notice, (3) face (par) value is set as a fixed denomination of the prescribed precious metal bullion, in the measure inscribed, whereupon bearer assumes all risk as to trading or merchantable value, if any. Other conditions or terms may apply hereto without notice, bearer hereby acknowledges the responsibility to contact issuer for the most current information respecting obligations and duties of issuer, any authorized distributor or trustee of this instrument or the particulars of any program or project for which proceeds of this issue are designated. Interest ? the nominal yield of this zero-coupon instrument is fixed at TEN PERCENT per annum, non-prorated, compounded and computed upon face (par) value. The Periodic Net Value (PNV) is determined only at each respective anniversary date subsequent to date of issuance affixed hereto. The chart below shows computed yield of Periodic Net Value per 100 units of par value. Each calculation of interest is rounded to TWO decimal places prior to compounding any subsequent anniversary PNV. Year Interest Rate ( ) Interest per 100 units Periodic Net Value 1 10.0 10.00 110.00 2 10.0 11.00 121.00 3 10.0 12.10 133.10 4 10.0 13.31 146.41 5 10.0 14.64 161.05 Calculations: Compounded Par Value (CPV) is determined by multiplying the product of par value divided by 100, times Periodic Net Value. To find actual value, use the formula CPV x gold (Au) price. For example, if bond’s par value is 300 Troy oz. gold, CPV (year 4) is 3 x 146.41 = 439.23 Troy oz. gold. Additional Terms of Indenture This instrument matures and becomes fully redeemable by issuer at a place to be designated thereby on the FIFTH anniversary date subsequent to date of issuance affixed hereto, which date is permanently inscribed in the space provided below. No redemption prior to that date is authorized by issuer and NO interest shall be payable by issuer at any time prior to the FIFTH anniversary date hereof. Interest shall continue to accrue in the manner described above until redemption by bearer or until issuer calls for redemption of all outstanding instruments issued in the series. Bearer, by possession hereof, accepts all and full responsibility to contact issuer or obtain the most current information from issuer, or authorized agent thereof, respecting redemption policies, schedules and locations. Bearer upon redemption must surrender this instrument in marketable condition and is entitled to be paid, in units of any internationally traded currency of choice or in precious metal bullion, in the amount of Compounded Par Value, less applicable exchange fees. Payment of interest is not prorated over any interval between anniversary dates, only the accrued amount, calculated as of the anniversary date immediately prior to redemption shall be the Redemption Value upon which payment is computed. Additional terms or conditions may become applicable during the term to enhance the value hereof, however, bearer is advised that this instrument, at issuance, is not rated. Also see: National Liberation Program (HAWAII ENENKIO NATION KINGDOMS) Date: Fri, Nov 28, 2003, 7:25pm KingsTrust@msn.com Joint Venture partners for .ok ENENKIO-and .hi HAWAII KINGDOMS DOMAIN SALES.STAMPS.TREASURY NOTES and other WORLD WIDE ITEMS. 1 808 944 3088 enenkio2@msn.com — Welcome to the EnenKio Online Network These pages, this website, the former web host (NetNation), the government of the Kingdom of EnenKio and the people loyal to the king of Eneen-Kio Atoll have been subjected to a wide assortment of deliberate disruptive actions by persons and agencies of the federal government of the United States. These attacks continue to this day. The reasons for these attacks are unknown, as EnenKio seeks only peace and the freedom to express the fundamental rights of the people of EnenKio, its monarch and the imperatives bestowed upon us by our loving Creator. This site has been restored to acquaint you with history, claims and challenges we face as a people striving for equality in a world of antagonistic nations with egocentric goals seeking to ‘save’ (dominate) lesser nations. RobertMoore270@msn.com EnenKio2@msn.com kingstrust@msn.com Respond to DOMOCO6@msn.com – Bearer Bonds pay Gold Date: Sunday, September 23, 2007 12:12 AM Robert Moore M P S T O P ! UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WORLDS LIES FRAUD MISINFORMATION BY SPOOKS AND BUSH ASSKISSERS… — – Present Status – EnenKio is a sovereign state The government of the Kingdom of EnenKio was established in 1994 under authority and by direction of Head of State and the hereditary Iroijlaplap (Paramount Chief) of the Northern Ratak atolls of the Marshall Islands. The Constitution of EnenKio established and set forth the authority and responsibility of the government and established duties and succession protocol of the Monarch and Royal Family. EnenKio is a Limited Constitutional Monarchy. Representative citizens, acting as Founding Fathers, ratified the Constitution, recognized His Majesty King Murjel Hermios as Head of State, affirmed their resolve in the Declaration of Sovereignty and determined the boundaries of the new Kingdom of EnenKio. Notice that EnenKio was a new sovereign state was sent to representatives of the Republic of the Marshall islands, United States, United Nations General Assembly, UN Security Council, South Pacific Commission, NATO, world media, Pacific Island nations and other nations. Legal action was then taken to set forth the claim against the foreign occupational forces of the United States, which failed to ever answer any actions and now stands in default with respect to demands for compensation and for illegally occupying of the king’s ancestral lands. The effect of legal demands filed in U.S. federal court, unanswered complaints and failure to reply now have the force of law in commerce, under national and international laws and conventions. EnenKio is an “offshore haven for criminals and money launderers” Actually, the United States did reply ? not directly to EnenKio, but with an insidious merciless campaign of disinformation broadly dispersed across the Internet and to its trading partners. One glaring example is a U.S. Department of State Report which compares EnenKio to the likes of Thailand, Colombia and Russia under the topic of “Money Laundering and Financial Crimes”. This official report ? International Narcotics Control Strategy, 1998 ? categorizes EnenKio as an Offshore Financial Center. This is a curious label as EnenKio has no bank, no financial center and no money to launder. It goes on to refer to another state and “Enenkio” (sic) as “…mere figments of fertile imaginations…”, and as “…entirely fraudulent in intent and practice.” The United States offers NO proof nor is it known to have ever found any. In fact, in February 2001, the Securities & Exchange Commission, together with other federal agencies of the United States, concluded an exhaustive investigation that failed to turn up even one shred (or hanging chad) of evidence of impropriety ? in intent or practice. EnenKio exists “only in cyberspace” Such a claim might be made for Yahoo?, Windows Magazine? or any number of “dot.coms”. Why, the United States itself claims over 25,000 web sites hosting millions of pages. Is this not a criteria for existence in cyberspace? EnenKio as a state has its roots in a 1987 document, but really, it is founded upon more than 2000 years of historical lineage preceding the ascendancy of the Hermios Marshallese family to their rightful, recognized traditional post. The EnenKio web site did not appear until 1998. It is a mystery how any reasonable person could examine the few dozens of posted documents, laws and letters ? thousands of pages are not posted ? and then say: EnenKio exists only in cyberspace. Today’s Challenge for Tomorrow’s Future Every avenue is being explored to raise capital for projects described in the development plan. Bond, stamp and shipbuilding programs have commenced. Applications are invited for passports, business licenses and ship registration. For those qualified individuals who wish to join this effort or encourage us to gain recognition among states of the first order, we have a need for Consuls and Diplomatic representatives in foreign offices, Trade Missions and other diplomatic posts. Additional human resources and people knowledgeable in international policy, diplomatic protocol, spaceport and aircraft operations, telecommunications, shipping, manufacturing, chemical engineering and a host of other disciplines will be required to design and attract development projects and implement envisioned programs. Contractual arrangements for professional consultation and services in law, finance, commerce, economics and others are being actively sought. All who have an interest and are so moved, you are encouraged to submit a Personal Involvement form. By submitting the form, you will be advised of the latest developments, provided an outline of needs and may at some point be invited to actively participate in development and promotion of EnenKio and to become a citizen of the fledgling nation. Salutation On behalf of the Second Monarch, His Majesty King Remios Hermios, His Royal Highness Crown Prince Lobadreo Hermios and all representatives and citizens of EnenKio, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs sincerely acknowledges your involvement, interest, prayers and support. See also: Political Status Under Illegal Occupation by the United States kingstrust@msn.com or EnenKio2@msn.com
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