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Name: Brian T. Craft (bcraft@ameritrade.com)
Time: 1/30/98 (14:14:46)
Isn't it ironic that Bill Clinton, the champion of liberal causes, has fallen victim to the tactic that has been used by his liberal allies to derail conservatives for years. Bob Packwood was also tried and convicted by the press. It's time for just desserts.
Name: mindy (No email address provided)
Time: 1/30/98 (14:0:13)
Let's just settle this "Trial By Springer!"
Name: Dennis Chamberlin (Dennis.Chamberlin@tek.com)
Time: 1/30/98 (12:10:1)
A man's sexual practices, on the premises of his elected office, with his employees/interns, under the same roof with his wife and family, are direct indicators of his character.
And character is directly related to respect for, and fair administration of, the laws he is expected to administer. (Laws about things like campaign finances and perjury, for example.)
He may be a decent administrator, but no president can actually *lead* a nation unless he is perceived as being honest and of good character.
Name: Parrot Head Steve (Parts of California)
Time: 1/30/98 (11:49:9)
Speaking of Susan McDougle does anyone remember all those Tobacco CEO's with their hand held high before the congress saying they had no knowledge concerning smoking and addiction. Susan is in jail for taking the 5th while these clowns are out laughing at us. So you think Starr could start investigating some real villains?
PS To use a quote from the COOL ONE himself I think Bill is just in a little 'Bimbo Limbo'. Sorry but its just not a impeachable offense.
PSS. Do you think Tripp is just a little upset because with Bill lack of taste in women she still didn't make the cut?
Name: Luke (luke1@mcn.net)
Time: 1/30/98 (11:36:20)
Clinton's legacy may well be his creation of a new axiom: Alls fair in Love and Politics.
Name: Allison (No email address provided)
Time: 1/30/98 (7:49:42)
Whoever said that (in reference to the Clinton scandal) it is our great morals that has made America a super-power needs to stop getting their education from Sunday morning TV and start taking night classes in American Government.
Name: J Gorrono (jgor@rmci)
Time: 1/30/98 (7:15:28)
The real issue here is that the man lied under oath.
Name: Dr. Seuss (samiam@catinhat.com)
Time: 1/30/98 (6:45:24)
I did not pump that intern's hip.
I didn't do it, Linda Tripp.
I didn't jump that bimbo's bones.
Lord knows who'd do Paula Jones.
Flowers belong in a pot.
Speaking of which, inhale I did not.
I did not do her in a car.
I did not do her in a bar.
I did her not--Not near, not far.
I did not do her, Kenneth Starr.
Name: Brian W. Reed (bwreed@mail.netnitco.net)
Time: 1/30/98 (5:55:18)
I scoff at those who pathetically defend Clinton when they say, "Who cares? His sex life is his own business." The man is MARRIED, you apathetic morons! What does that say about his character?
He lied to us for years by saying he had no involvement with Gennifer Flowers when he was governor of Arkansas, but he then reluctantly admits it in the Paula Jones deposition when he is questioned under oath! Why should we believe him now when he denies being involved with Lewinsky?
Why should we believe him about anything? Look, if he was a single man and could get an endless supply of young women to drop down on their knees I'd say, "Good for him!" But not while he's married. That makes him an adulterous, pathological liar and unfit to lead the greatest nation on earth!
The democrats indifference to this situation and their "our cause at any cost" attitude is destroying the country that men and women have fought and died for.
(Except Clinton, he dodged the draft). If you don't care enough about the character and conduct of our highest elected official, then take your sound-byte, fast-food brains beyond the borders of my country. And please, take Bubba with you.
Name: Hal Webb (hlwebb@eee.org)
Time: 1/30/98 (3:13:35)
How many of you would lose your job if you got head from a bimbo? For those of you who say he was "on the clock", is your job 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? When is he "off the clock"?
Bottom line here is if he is doing something illegal against the American people or breaking laws that affect America in a detrimental way, then prosicute! Other wise back off and shut up!
Name: Brian W. Reed (bwreed@mail.netnitco.net) Time: 1/29/98 (21:46:3)
The respect that is due the "office" of the president of the United States does not automatically lend itself to the person who occupies the position when they continuously involve themselves in immoral and disreputable situations.
A higher standard is, and should be, expected of them. I am ashamed for my country and disgusted with those who continue to support Clinton.
Name: John Winkler (delphis@bellsouth.com)
Time: 1/29/98 (16:12:31)
I agree; two elections, twice elected, democratic process. Problem is me and my loved ones must live with the results.
To me it not conceivable that the public do's not demand this administration be reomve from public office.
It is apparant; we are sunk. Some bubbles are coming up but in a few years they will stop and thats the end of the Republic. Act now America or loose your nation. What in the name of $%^%$ happened to the ability to assess character?
If nothing else had happened, just the denial of an affair with Jennifer Flowers and now the addmission of it further confirmed by Jennifer on Lary King last week should do it.
Is there a mass hipnotic affect in affect? For the past five years I have felt like a foreigner in my own country.
Wake up America. WAKE UP, WAKE UP, WAKE UP.
Name: Ed Baker (ebaker@orednet.org)
Time: 1/29/98 (15:53:24)
Some where around the 1960's, teaching our youngsters about character traits such as integrity, honesty and fidelity has been lost. Adultry is ok as long as it's between consenting adults.
Lying is a pre-requisite for all politicians. Unless this destructive trend is reversed, we can look forward to a worsening. Who knows? The President of 2010 could be an accepted pedophiliac.
Name: Llano (lterry@totacc.com)
Time: 1/29/98 (14:47:7)
Ask if this were your husband and what you should/would do? Ask what you would /should do if this were your daughter?
Have we, as the great tax paying unwashed become so complacent as to not care who/ what is running the country?
Not demanding and forcing the people we elect to government to be above reproch, in deed, in action, and in thought, shows we are going to get what we let happen to our country. One day we will wake up and see theat 'Rome' fell while we let the fiddlers play! The American people need to get more involved.
Right now the only Americans interested in Gov't are those that depend on a handout from same (welfare, government workers, polititions, government programs, and hangers on, etc. We have met the enemy and it is us! (per pogo).
Name: George Kuck (galbertk@aol.com)
Time: 1/29/98 (12:3:1)
If Mr. Clinton is not held responsible for his actions, we should apologize to all the sargents that were sent to jail for their sexual harassment of those enlistee's under their command.
Mr. Clinton wants it both ways. He claimed military exemption for Paula Jones but now does not want to be held to the same standard.
Name: Stephen Brock (sgbrock@mindspring.com)
Time: 1/29/98 (11:49:17)
The Riahdy family money and influence, Charley Trie, John Huang, Web Hubbell, Ms. O’Leary, Ron Brown, the fellow who "lied to his diary, Vince Foster, Ira Magaziner, the two low-lifes with improper FBI files, the FBI and IRS involved in the travel office firings, the IRS going after Paula Jones, the IRS auditing only conservative organizations, Hillary not responding to questions about the billing records found in the White House, the President asking others to perjure themselves.
These are just off the top of my head, you and I are aware of other items to list, but this should be enough to make my point about the administration that would not allow "even a hint of impropriety".
Please note there’s not one reference to the President’s sex life.
Name: Dawn Case (pdcas@pop.pldi.net) Time: 1/29/98 (11:24:11)
Jennifer Flowers stated on The Geraldo Rivera show, January 23, that Bill Clinton had paid for her to have an abortion when they were having their fling. It has now been mentioned that there is a possibility that Monica Lewinsky also had an abortion during her fling time with Clinton.
If this is so, it shouldn't be a surprise that President Clinton is for abortion at any time during a pregnancy. It has probably saved him lots of money and allows him to get on with his adulterous affairs.
Why should he care about unborn babies as long as he gets to hanky panky in the ORAL Office.
Name: Mike (mmcgraw@preferred.com)
Time: 1/29/98 (5:44:49)
The unspoken tragedy is the nation doesn't think character matters. The founding fathers' writings are replete with references to the contrary. Who you are when in private, is who you pretend not to be when in public.
Bill Clinton, based on the J. Flowers story, is a convenant breaker (marriage covenant). This ongoing situation proves he can't be trusted when personal gratification is on the line, so why should we expect to be able to trust him when his execution of office requires a tough decision that demands honor, character, courage, and self-sacrifice?
Even though adultery may not be an impeachable offense, it does reveal what an unformed character exists within the President of the United States.
Name: Sprout (Sproutes@aol.com)
Time: 1/29/98 (5:12:18)
At the beginning of the 19th century, Noah Webster said something like this, "Make a judgement on a politician based soley on his private life for what a man allows the public to see can be altered to hide his true character.
Most of the time a politician spends in public service is out of public view.
Name: Steve Drobac, Jr. (sdrobac@usaor.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (22:53:24)
A 24-year-old who wants immunity! A single 24 year old female that supposedly engages in sex with the President of the United States! A female who is an adult, of legal age, agrees to sexual conduct with a married man to only later offer this information to the public to gain fame and fortune through the news media.
Bleiler, (I believe a teacher) who had a five-year extramarital affair with Lewinsky (who by the way was 19 years old then according to the news media facts) while Lewinsky was working at the White House. Sends Bleiler and his wife documents and photographs that they placed in a safe-deposit box that will be turned over to employees of Starr`s office in Portland.
Extremely interesting! Another married man she has sexual affairs with. Even more interesting this married man and even his wife save documents to his sexual flings other sexual affairs. So if he is 32 now, he must have been 27 when he began his affair as a married man with a 19-year-old fresh out of high school.
I wonder if he was a teacher at that time? Sure can cause ones mind to wonder if there were any other affairs, most importantly any from high school? I wonder if they are on the bandwagon of payoffs for their story to the news media?
However, what I really find interesting is the fact that the President is portrayed as guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, a person who has committed adultery, yet pretty little miss priss is innocent of any misconduct and seeks immunity.
If this incident really and truly occurred, she should be hung just as those who are seeking to hang the President and no immunity granted at all. What are you going to do, grant immunity for false information to gain fame and fortune?
Grant her immunity with the understanding that any money she makes from the story is turned back over to the United States Government. Watch how fast nothing happened.
After all, why should tax payers be forced to pay solely for the expense of a federal grand jury and all attorney fees. Her payoff fees would supplement this tax burden greatly.
Name: Nitty Gritty (No email address provided)
Time: 1/28/98 (22:51:36)
Hillary says it is a right wing conspiracy and if we "hold our breath, the truth will come out." Why wasn't there a reporter there to ask, "Hillary, why is it every time the President holds his breath, his pants fall down and there is an Obliging woman there, not his wife, who later talks?"
Monica puts her "kneepads" on and "goes to Washington" to bow her knee to a false god...and does WHAT? Jimmy Stewart must be on spin cycle! The President's moral character is a reflection of the prevailing culture of immorality in the country--anything goes. A nation gets to have the kind of leaders it deserves!
An Oregon treehugger claims to have had a 5 year affair with Monica who was then a teenager and he's smiling. His wife is smiling and their attorney has a spendo suit--pretty good for a teacher.
Who is paying the lawyer? Is the wife smiling from the amount of Clinton bucks contributed for their "evidence?" Is it Chinese money?
Everytime we have election results, I expect fire to fall from Heaven in Judgment. It is coming! God said to "repent" -- the nation didn't. There may be a short time to repent for some individuals, but this nation is doomed!
Name: Carolyn (luvsting@erie.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (22:16:44)
What I think is this: Clinton has lied. Clinton will continue to lie. He is a liar.
Hillary is a pathetic, money grubbing , hanger on. If she were a member of the middle class whose husband had been cheating on her for years......she wouldn't be married to him anymore. She would have divorced him years ago. They are a perfect match.
Clinton should step down, resign. The "battle" they want to declare and fight, is self serving and not in the interest of the Country at large. Don't let anyone fool ya, it's a personal thing with them. Me, Me, Me.
I don't care who Clinton has 'relations' with, but I do care if he is harassing, abusing or mistreating the women he is entangled with. If he is making any kind of sexual innuendos to these women that are rude, or unwanted, he is then a sexual predator and is no better than a criminal.
If the President of these United States is a sexual predator, we have been betrayed. (Don't get me wrong, the women who 'consentually' have relations with him are fully aware that he is married AND the President of the U.S.A., they are no better)
I don't care how it happened, why it happened (unless it was harassment), when it happened, but I do care WHERE it happened. It's the White House for GOODNESS sake... Is nothing sacred? I care that I am continually LIED to by the Clintons and others on a daily basis. When the Prez of the U.S. looks at the camera and says "I did NOT have sexual relations with this woman, Miss Lewinsky" and if it is proven true that he did, I want his ASS fired...and soon.
Name: Charles Riley (clrfamily@aol.com)
Time: 1/28/98 (22:15:13)
This incident is a small blip on the screen of this man's life, but it is symptomatic.
He is totally without morals, and thinks of no one except in terms of himself. He sells out his family, country, friends in endless self promotion. Look at the trail of personal and public devestation that has followed his life.
Hilary is an abused woman, but she uses him the same as he uses her. I sincerely hope our country can survive the likes of these two. No wonder Chelsa chose a school as far away from them as she could find.
Name: PDR (pdr31197@b4futures.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (21:53:44)
Remember, just as the public here in the USA look at the Iraqies as nutballs because of Hussein (even though there are good people that would like to throw him out in that country), We Americans are looked upon as sex addicts, perverts and the like around the world by the way the world views Bill Clinton and his leftist, cronies. Will we have to put bags on our heads when travelling overseas?
Name: Jim (Frink@Execpc.com) Time: 1/28/98 (21:37:35)
What really burns me about this sordid affair is considering the damage done to the military by sex scandels, the hullabaloo during the Clarence Thomas nomination, and all of the other sexual "discrimination" incidents we have had jammed down our throats during the past few years, we get such a poor example from Mr. Clinton.
Name: Art Azar (aaazar@sunsix.infi.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (20:48:36)
Bill and Hillary has brought Arkansas ethics and morlity to the White House. What a shame!
A leader should be one that commands respect, not disrespect. The congressional Democrats should ask Bill to resign!
Name: David Croft (croft@alumni.caltech.edu)
Time: 1/28/98 (20:25:41)
Anyone in charge of nuclear weapons and military secrets should not be engaging in activities that leave them susceptible to blackmail.
Name: West (west519@delphi.com)
Time: 1/28/98 (20:4:31)
I'm more concerned with keeping my pants up in these hard economics time to have time to worry
about Mr. Pres.
Name: Jeffrey Bailey (jbailey@mcn.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (19:59:37)
Do promises matter? Apparently not to president Bill. Should power be exercised with responsibility. Apparantly not if you are President Bill. If you are President Bill and you want to grope your subordinates go ahead. Where are the feminists when you really need them?
If President Bill suffers from multiple personalitites then his character and conduct in private affairs don't matter. If he has an integrated personality than his private and public behaviour cannot and should not be separated.
Is it wrong to lie under oath and to ask others to perjure themselves if you are a fry cook at McDonalds? If it is then how much worse is this type of behaviour from the lead law enforcement officer and chief prosecutor of the United States of America?
Name: Joe Nelson (No email address provided)
Time: 1/28/98 (19:52:12)
Hey, I have a crazy idea-- let's hold the leader of our great country to a higher standard. Is that nuts or what!?! His position requires incredible strength of character, and what kind of character can an adulterer (admittedly) have?
If we can't trust an oath he took before his wife and God, how can we trust him with leading our country? Or if the allegations of perjury and/or subordinating perjury are true? That's just one more lie on the stack. And, unfortunately, the People wouldn't care. It's the sad state of our moral culture.
Name: Kevin Boyd (boyd@midusa.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (19:49:29)
I am shocked by the comments painting any alledged tryst between the President of the United States and a young unpaid intern (entrusted by her parents to the care and protection of the White House staff) as irrelevant - nothing more than sex between consenting adults!!!!
Wake up and smell the musk!! HE has no business doing IT with HER! Given the imbalance of power, there can arguably be no such thing as "consent" - this is clearly (if true) an ugly abuse of power by Clinton.
Name: Lisa Burkmier (materialgirl@carolina.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (19:13:13)
As long as Bill Clinton doesn't ask me who I'm sleeping with, I will give him the same courtesy and not ask him who he is sleeping with.
I don't want or need to know everything about public figures. What they do in their private lives should be private.
Name: R. Rodgers (No email address provided)
Time: 1/28/98 (18:47:39)
Perhaps the greatest politician in the world but the absolute worst president ever!
Name: R. Rodgers (boro@computer.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (18:43:39)
Imagine a 2 minute of the President's time and the whole world is reacting!
Name: Yvette (theypt007@aol.com)
Time: 1/28/98 (17:7:7)
The "fact" supposedly that President Clinton gave one of the White House interns a Oral Exam only shows how truly truly our Prez is interested in better schooling for our children.
Whatta guy!! How can others get so upset about his furthering her "Edumacation" We should all get down on our knees... WAIT...cancel that thought!
And have you noticed that Monica looks just like John Elway ceptin for the big hair and lipstick...have to find some humor in this otherwise we would have an entire country hurlin their Wheaties every morning while listenin to the news :(
Name: S.G. Honeck (shoneck@tcccom.net)
Time: 1/28/98 (17:6:21)
It was very difficult explaining to my young children what our esteemed leader and example setter was being accused of.
A President who is a liar, cheater, and has no conviction or conscious sets a horrible example for our children, and the country as a whole.
Name: --Anonymous-- (No email address provided)
Time: 1/28/98 (14:25:31)
> Q. What does Bill say to Hillary after a romantic interlude?
A: Honey, I’ll be home in 20 minutes.
If he cheats on his wife, what does he do to the general public???
Name: --Anonymous-- (No email address provided)
Time: 1/28/98 (13:3:14)
Even if Clinton was the most devoted husband in the world - if we think that sleeping around is any worse than any of the other lies that he or any other politicians must tell to get to their place of power, then we are naive.
Furthermore, given that the left and right are assuradly in cahoots, any conspiracy theories should concentrate on how the powers that be develope scandals which distract the simple American mind from REAL issues.
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