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Its sickening to sit here and read the rage about Clinton and knowing that it is not going to change anything. I think if there is going to be a removal process,certain guidelines should be followed, and when the criteria are met, the President should go directly to trial without the political idiots being able to pick and choose whether he does or not. God Save the Presidency

The real outrage is that so many of you on this page seem to have zero regard for morality and marital fidelty, which someone described as being for the little people. Most of you seem to think of the world as the oyster of the "hip and glib" crowd. It is not. That type of person is determined to remain an juvenile forever. Did you ever wonder where we had gotten to when some MAN started getting sensetive about his AGE? Time to grow up, fellas, and leave the wrinkle concerns to women. We've got a job to do, so let's get to it.

The people in my office have mixed emotions too, the ones that cheat on their mates agree he should have lied like ht did, the rest of us think he should be empeached and jailed

Clinton could have aline of women waiting for him I don't care. When YOU elected a man President of this country who sided with and marched with Russia during the war You got what YOU paid for.

Let's look at what the man (Clinton) said about his own predicament:

Wed Aug 19 1998 21:27:35 ET -- It was another time. Another place. But the same man.

"No question that an admission of making false statements to government officials and interfering with the FBI is an impeachable offense." -- Bill Clinton, ARKANSAS GAZETTE, August 8, 1974, page 7-A.

That quote is just one of dozens from Bill Clinton, in his own words, warning about the dangers of leaving a man that has lied in the position of President of the United States.

Bill Clinton was running for a seat in the United States Congress in the Summer of '74. In the early weeks of August, President Nixon was going down in flames from events surrounding the Watergate scandal. At that time, Nixon was refusing to respond to pressure from the Hill demanding his resignation.

Clinton was running for the seat held by Rep. John Paul Hammerschmidt [R] -- a Nixon loyalist who was publicly supporting the president and telling him to stay in office.

"REPRESENTATIVE IS 'OUT OF STEP,' CLINTON CHARGES" was the headline in the newspaper on August 8, 1974.

In the wake of President Nixon's public admission that he had lied about his role in Watergate, Clinton, then a law professor at the University of Arkansas, said:

"I think it is plain that the president should resign and spare the country the agony of impeachment and removal proceedings."

"I think the country could be spared a lot of agony... if he'd go on and resign," Bill Clinton declared.

The ARKANSAS DEMOCRAT, two days earlier -- August 6, 1974, page 10-A -- quoted Bill Clinton again talking about the need for Nixon to leave office:

------ He has lied and is now trying to use legal technicalities to save his butt.

As to the "polls" - does anyone know of anyone who has been polled. I have not talked to anyone who has or knows of anyone. It seems that they pollsters are calling residences during the day and reaching "Soccer moms" ("Slick Willy's" fans) and to people on welfare who love all Democrats.

"Bill Clinton, Democratic candidate for the 3rd Congressional District, said, "There is nothing left to say. There's no point putting this country through an impeachment since [Nixon] isn't making any pretense of innocence now... This country has suffered so long."

There seems to one easy and very fair solution to the majority of these outrages. While the corporation involved perhaps should be punished for their activities and one way of doing that is with punitive damages, why are these awards made to the individuals bringing suit and their lawyers? They are awarded damages and that is what they deserve and they can pay their lawyer. Any punative award should go to the public good as it is you and I who have to pay these awards through higher prices. Thus, have punitives paid toward reducing the National debit.

El Presidente Klinton has committed treason, yet the powers that be haven't been able to figure it out. The Rosenbergs got the electric chair for allegedly giving the former Soviet Union atomic bomb secrets in the '50s. Now the truth may be they didn't do it. But here we have a sitting President who has admitted to allowing thermonuclear weapons secrets to fall into the hands of a tyrannical government that has no compunction about nuking us. Doesn't Clinton deserve the needle.

or get off the pot. I am Active duty Navy and frequently assigned as a Bailiff for Military Court martial's. It is a unique position that allows me to see the entire process without bias. Day in and day out I see confessed rapists go free because in the opening motions there is "confusion" about the time of the confession so it is never heard by the Jury. Not to mention the mountains of evidence never heard as the Defense finds some problem with or way to discredit it before the jury ever enters the courtroom. On one occasion after a a rapist (although found innocent) was realeased the mother of the victim asked "how it felt to be a rapist" to which he replied "hows it feel to know your daughters a slut" And on another after he was found innocent (again confession thrown out) was asked if he did it his response was "yeah, what of it" can't even nail him for perjury, he never testified. Now about that pot, we all know the American legal system is well for lack of a better word rather than complain about it or anger people of more why don't you put a little more effort into what we can do about it. 'nough said

Reading the May 25th outrage about athletes suing those whom they have assaulted, I was reminded of the time several years ago when singer James Brown was arrested after a multi-state car chase. His wife and (amazingly) his attorney went before the judge asking that the charges be dismissed on the grounds that Mr. Brown held "diplomatic immunity." It seems that years earlier, James Brown recieved a citation from the President declaring James Brown "America's official ambassador of Soul."

The bottom line issue re: Bill Clinton is whether he can be trusted. The ability to represent the US, both nationally and internationally, is largely based on the credibility of the president. Clinton's track record is his own worst enemy (I didn't inhale... I never had an affair with Gennifer Flowers, um, wait, I caused pain in my marriage, whoops, looks like I did have an affair but not for 11 years... Hey look, here are those whitewater documents subpoened months ago, how did they get into the cabinet in the residential quarters, etc, etc, etc) Now we have the Lewinsky issue with typical Clinton responses; deny, stonewall, then drip information one tiny piece at a time, play the public for a fool. Despite all of the above, however, I don't want to see Clinton out of office. Why? Because the two most frightening words in the English language are not "nuclear weapons", "biological warfare", or even "sexual relations" - the most frightening words are "President Gore" YIKES!!!!

Interesting philosophy, but it misses a couple of pertinent points.

1. Paula Jones - change the scenario to "office manager" and "secretary" and consider the reaction in today's climate of zero tolerance towards "sexual harassment"

2. Monica - nobody (reasonable) gives a damn what she or he did when no one was looking. The issue is whether he perjured himself under oath, or whether he tried to suborn perjury, either directly or by having a friend/advisor do it. If Joe Citizen does that, he'll face criminal charges.

Being the President doesn't grant you immunity from the laws the rest of us have to live by.

I wonder who the polls are surveying. I have not heard of one person who has been polled. I believe if the polls indicate the true feelins of many of the average US citizens they would believe that the President's actions do actually affect his ability to govern objectively. Integrity comes in all flavors but I do not think they can be isolated from the man himself. Yes the US should be outraged when the man with the highest office in One of the most powerful nations in the world cannot keep him mind on governing when he cannot even govern his own libido.

Your observations and comments are 100% flawed. It is the liberals who obviously beleive that the ends always justify the means. Look at how you are willing to accept so little from a morally bankrupt president just so long as a dreaded child starving, environment destroying republican never comes to power. Your ilk and the lies about the republican agenda will come back to bite you someday soon and when it does, you're not even going to undestand how your arrogance got you so quickly out of favor with an American public starving for real morality and leadership from its elected officials. But hey... keep it up, it's your party's funeral we'll be attending. SHAME ON YOU !!!!

That's fine if you don't believe that Clinton should have to answer personal questions about his sex life. The liberals and Democrats gave us these laws, so first get rid of the requirements that everyone, including the president, must answer every nitpicking inuendo about their presumed sex lives. Where were you when Robert Bork was getting "Borked" by the likes of Ted Kennedy and Joe Biden? You are sounding very much like a big hypocrit! When the Democrats carry out this sort of outrage against the Republicans no one gets exercised. Now the shoe is on the other foot.

In Washington DC is was not illegal for one person to record a conversation where the other person did not know about the recording. There are some states where it is illegal and other where it is not!

Let's stick to the subject, and not let the PRESS or the President direct us away from it.

The President of the United States LIED UNDER OATH! That's Outrageous!

I don't care if he had sex with Al Gore on the desk in the Oval office on Network TV, But if he LIED about it UNDER OATH I want him out. I also don't care (well I do care but it's not a crime) if he lies to me, you, his wife or anyone else, UNLESS IT'S IN COURT, UNDER OATH.

I also know that one big truth, politicians lie. BUT THEY CANNOT LIE UNDER OATH. How could the Senate hold investigations when you could just make stuff up as an answer to any question? The courts would be in utter chaos. The O.J. trial hinged on weather a policeman lied when he said he didn't use the "N" word. And that was completely immaterial to the charge of murder against O.J. Should we let the chief lawmaker of the country off because "we like him"?

The basis of our trial system is that a witness MUST tell the truth while under oath or face the consequences. Now you're saying that if the matter before the court is not to ANY persons liking (It's "None of your damn business!") you, or I or even the President may LIE about it. That is exactly what you are saying. "Just let him go and do his job.", "We need him to do his job of governing the country." "The crisis in the middle East needs his full attention." Well these are things HE should have been thinking about before this. This country is bigger than just one man, and as long as this one man is in charge we have NO right to ask anyone to obey the law and tell the truth under oath.

By the way, if seventy percent of the country likes Clinton, how come I can't find more than a handful every where I go? I travel a good bit and meet many different people. The odds that I just meet Clinton bashers should be pretty high against, but nobody likes him. I don't get it. In the last six years I have been in just about every state, talked to people in all of them, cities and country and my unofficial poll would say he has a rating of about 15%. If I believed in conspiracies I would say the polls were rigged, but that could never happen, or did someone lie?

Your first sentence turned me off. How do you justify saying the President "probably" lied under oath. In my profession as a clergyman, I have known plenty of people virtually destroyed by false rumors and accusations. Remember, one of the ten commandments is against bearing false witness. Also, our religions teach us not to judge other people (most assuredly without any reliable, substantial evidence. PRINT A RETRACTION, PLEASE!

Heinz as you recall, Nixon stood up and said I am not a crook, didn't make him any less of a liar though did it?

The break in at Watergate was a misdemeanor performed without presidetial consent. The cover up was presidential and brought down Nixon. In the present case the misdemeanor and the cover up are presidential. It amazes me what a difference a friendly press can make. Of course in this case deep throat would mean something entirely different than the unknown accuser of President Nixon, wouldn't it?

Shouldn't the Commander-in-Chief be subjected to the same standards as the men in the armed forces when it comes to having sex with subordinates, if these allegations prove to be true? Has not many a good military man lost his career for what he did in "his" bedroom? If "Slick Willie" did this he should rsign also.

As for as telling the truth, I don't think any president ever lied as much as this trailer park trash President does, and his mean spirited fibbing putrid wife. Wake up America.

I am incredibly saddened by this whole affair. Though not a Clinton supporter, I have always tried to give him the benefit of the doubt. My parents always told me that if I did something wrong I would most likely be punished but if I lied about it the punishment would be more severe. The issue, they explained, was trust. When I lied to them, I sacrificed the trust we had built in our relationship. I find if a person will lie in one area, he is probably lying in others. I have lost all repect and trust for our president. And that saddens me.

Subj: Subj: Media still irresponsible including many at CNN, "CONSPIRACY?!"
Date: 98-02-12 13:08:25 EST
From: Ahk1
To: Dear Mary Tillotson and your Company today,

I watch CNN Shows CNN Websites a lot. I thought you and your Company should be reminded reading subjects below.

Subj: Media still irresponsible including many at CNN, "CONSPIRACY?!"
Date: 98-02-12 12:54:12 EST
From: Ahk1
To: editor@AllPolitics.com

For your information:email below has also been sent to Tom Daschl and Newt Gingrich and all Senators and Congressman of the USA.

Subj: Fwd: MEDIA MADNESS
Date: 98-01-30 15:55:32 EST
Date: 98-01-30 15:26:16 EST
From: Ahk1
To: allpolitics@cnn.com

Dear Ted Turner, Time Warner/ CNN,

"If the Sun goes out of balance we earthlings will either be frozen or be dust floating somewhere in the Universe"!.

Sombody has to put your "reporter gang" and who they "select" to interview in check.

Fact:
Monica Lewinsky under oath has stated, that she had no S-Relationship with President Clinton and that President Clinton did not ask her, Monica Lewinsky, to lie.

Fact:
President Clinton stated to the whole world and under oath, that he had no S-Relationship with that woman, Monica Lewinsky, and "listen to me the American People, I have not lied to anybody".

I hope you ask your talkback people to put this on the air and also, that Larry King uses this as an introduction when he interviews Monday Night (02,02,98) Bill Kristol and George Stephanapolus.

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Date: 01/29/98
To: talkback@cnn.com

Hello Jeff Greenfield, CNN:

media madness has gone ballistic.

Facts:
President Clinton:

Age 50, married (1976) 22 years, Daughter( born 1980) Freshman Stanford University.

President Clinton:

A Lawyer at 30, Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, England, State Attorney General before 35, Governor before 40 and President at age 44. On the list for 1998 Nobel Peace Prize at 50.

President Clinton:

Admired as a true world leader around the world as stated by a political advisor of President Johnson on CNN this week after he, the advisor, returned from Europe talking to many Ministers of the European Community.

They, the European Ministers, asked whether America (ns) have gone mad going after the best we have in the world..

Facts:
1991, Paula Jones, a state employee (minimum wage? 1991) at a convention at the Excelsior Hotel in Little Rock, handing out Name Badges, is asked by a state trooper to bring something? to the Hotelroom of than Governor Clinton (apparently first time and last time private meeting between Paula Jones and Bill Clinton) .

Allegedly Governor Clinton shows Paula Jones something, asked her for a service and she, Paula Jones, takes time to see some distinctive details ............. before she shockingly leaves the Hotel Room. Silence about the chock for 2 (3?) years by Paula Jones.

1994, she, Paula Jones, goes public with what she says what happened in 1991 at the Excelsior Hotelroom and files a law suit against the President of the United States.

1997, Paula Jones asks for $2.4 Million damages and an apology from the President of the United States.

Give me a break, is there any sensible person in the world who can believe the Paula Jones story.

Search the Internet and media for more media madness

Fact.
1991, Jennifer Flowers claims that she had an affair with Mr. Clinton from 1978 to 1990.

Fact:
Jennifer Flowers, during an interview with Larry King on Larry King Live last week, (January1998) says:" she still loves the President of the United States".

She, Jennifer Flowers, also says during the Larry King Live interview (January 1998), that her affair with Mr. Clinton started in 1978 when the Clintons had been married 18 months. She, Jennifer Flowers, also said that she found out soon that she was not able to crack the Clintons marriage for good and she, Jennifer Flowers left town for roadshows.

Fact:
Mr. Clinton has said that he caused some pain (60 Minutes Interview 1992) They, The Clintons, are still married in 1998 and seem to enjoy life inspite all the media circus, and they, President Clinton and the First Lady do a lot of good for their country the USA as well as the whole world..

Fact:
January 1998, Monica Lewinsky, 24, a former intern in the White House, states under oath to the Paula Jones Lawyers, that she did not have a S- Affair with the President of the United States and that The President of the United States did not ask her to lie.

Fact:
The President of the United States states under oath to the Paula Jones'' Lawyers, that he had no S-affair with Monica Lewinsky and that he did not ask Monica Lewinsky to lie.

Fact:
Monica Lewinsky's parents went through a bitter divorce, when Monica Lewinsky was 14, she went to college in Oregon before she got the intern job in the White House through Walter Kaye, New York, a friend of Monica Lewinsky's Mother Marcia Lewis, Washington DC..

Fact:
Mr. Walter Kaye, a friend of both President Clinton and The First Lady and apparently a very concerned citizen of the United States contributed more than $ 340,000 to the democratic party. Mr. Kaye recommended Ms Lewinsky for the intern job at the White House.

Fact:
MS Linda Tripp, involved in questionable politics for some time, becomes a friend? with Monica Lewinsky.

Fact:
In January 1998 Linda Tripp secretly tapes conversations? of her friend Monica Lewinsky and gives these tapes via Lucien Goldberg, New York, to Kenneth Starr, Washington DC. the Independent Counsel investigating the Clinton Administration for almost 6 years. Apparently Lucien Goldberg's son also a friend of Linda Tripp hand-carries the tapes to Kenneth Starr.

The Key Players to hurt the Clintons and The Clinton Administration in my opinion from what I read, see and hear are:

Paula Jones and Company, Linda Tripp and Company, Marcia Lewis and Company, Lucien Goldberg and Company, Kenneth Starr and Company.

All of these parties have special interests:

fame, politics and/or money.

KISS and FACTUAL MEDIA (Keep It Simple Stupid and FACTUAL } (MEDIA)

You know, we hired this guy to be a good president, not a good husband. I think he's doin' a bang-up job. Of course, i'm not a republican, and my name's not Hillary.

While I agree with much of your analysis, I do disagree with the conclusion that Slick Willie should not be brought down by such a scandal as adultery and lying about it under oath, and seeking to cover his arse by soliciting perjury.

Clearly the office of the President is mostly that of a figurehead and as such, we ought not expect too much from it. Just as clearly, the President and other officials should have some privileges of privacy.

One should not be shocked when the Slickster behaves with gross indiscretion.. you'd have had to be a Martian not to expect neurotic behavior from one so written, talked and rumored about over the last 6 years, as being entirely deviant.

To be surprised at his lying and attempts to cover up is also to practice naivety on a professional level.

Yet, if only 1/10th of the library of charges and encyclopedia of evidence about Willie is true, the ends quite clearly do jusify the means. We're not talking about murder here. We're simply asserting that getting rid of a dangerous, psychotic individual is acceptible by exposing whatever is most vulnerable about him.

This is how they got Al Capone. The only charge they could make stick was a tax charge. You wouldn't defend Capone by saying you expected him to lie about his taxes, since admitting the income would be self incriminating. Besides, since we level headed libertarians hold the IRS in such contempt of our freedoms, we should side with the notorius Capone....

I believe this is exaclty what Ken Starr is doing. Mr. Starr knows so much about the Slickster's past including, drug connections at Mena, Whitewater like rape of Arkansa's financial institutions, use of the IRS and FBI as his personal gestapo, Chinese infiltration of the Dept of Commerce, unbelievable lying and cover ups about Waco, and OK/Murrah bombing, wherin it aslmost a pure truth that the FBI botched a sting and sentanced the babies to death while FBI/ATF hid like craven animals to protect themselves. Starr is clearly using what little time he has left to find a way to "get Clinton". And I for one am on the side of the good guy.

No I do not advocate French Revolution style dismissal, but if Mr. Starr can convince enough Americans that this disgusting creature from the bowells of Arkansas is as leacherous as he really is, by convicting him of an infraction serious enough to impeach him, or induce his resignation, well I say GO FOR IT!!!

I think who ever wrote that article completely missed the whole point of Starr's investigation. The issue at hand is not wether Clinton Doinked anyone (allthough it does reflect on his and our countrys carecter) it is wether or not Clinton lied. If a man is willing to lie to everyone a man should hold dear in life then what makes you think anything else that comes out of his mouth will be worth considering. I don't know about you but a society has to be based on some set of standereds in order for there to be any kind of peace and stability, if we all can go about lying to whomever we please how long do think this country would last. Now its a nice excuse, the question of do we want our poor overworked President to have to waste his presious time in leagal procedings but come on, the same can be said of any number of professions the vaule of ones time in no way holds you above the law. Now don't get me wrong I for one don't want Him out of office