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Name: Marc Buscemi (cynebeald@aol.com)
Time: 1/24/2004 (18:53:43)
If we are going to have a special holiday for the sole purpose of honoring a person of a particular ethnic background then we should have equal holidays for each of the peoples who make up the American Matrix. How about a Wehrner VonBraun day to close the post offices and banks?
Name: cyrus moshiree (HOMERKICKSASS@aol.com)
Time: 1/21/2004 (7:29:52)
no, he doesnt need his own holiday. i think they should just give all the black people at work a bucket of fried chicken and that should do. maybe some watermelon for desert. thats all they deserve.
Name: Josh (pe0ple@hotmail.com)
Time: 1/21/2004 (0:21:24)
Personally, I prefer the holiday my group of friends has invented to celebrate black culture. It's called "Ghetto Gansta Day" and takes place on the first saturday of black history month (February for those living under a rock). We eat fried chicken, drink forty ounce bottles cheep beer, and smoke blunts. I like this holiday enough to make a once a year exception from my normal, non-potsmoking stance, in order to get into the holiday spirit. So, write your senator. Ghetto Gansta Day is exactly what this country needs the most right now.
Name: Silent Government Majority (whistleblower@aol.com)
Time: 1/20/2004 (6:39:21)
I have had enough of black everything. I never have, never will date blacks. If you have a preference for your own race you are automatically labeled a racist.
In the Federal Government in the Washington, DC area just check with the Office of Personnel Management and they will tell you their goal is 85% black in all agencies. This leave whites (me) and all other minorities with no hope of being promoted or having a career in the Wasington, DC Area. My Book is coming out on in the next 9 months and can be bought on Amazon.com, the title "Reverse Discrimination in the Federal Government".
I will be for a MLK holiday when I get fair treatment, too.
Name: AS (sejour@operamail.com)
Time: 1/20/2004 (3:32:51)
"Our final dream is that the day will come in America when one can criticize black cultural icons without being labeled a racist. We call this the impossible dream."
I have a dream of my own.
A day will come in America when one can criticize jews without being labeled anti Semitic. Now that is what I call a really impossible dream!
Name: Low note John (jmaggiore1@cox.net)
Time: 1/20/2004 (0:29:53)
In keeping with the idea of national holidays ... let's think about contacting our congressional representatives and have them introduce legislation which provides : "All days being considered for a Naional Holiday are to be submitted to vote of the American people in a general election" !! This should also apply to state holidays in my opinion .. what say you ??
Name: Chad R (ceeter@dadchad.lovelock.nv.us)
Time: 1/19/2004 (19:34:10)
Holiday for MLK? Not just no, but H*LL no! My first awareness of Dr. King was while I was stationed at Eielson AFB, Alaska in the early 50's. A Black barracks-buddy subscribed to Jet magazine and circulated it when he was finished. I found MLK in one of the center full-page photos in an issue of this all-black magazine, being escorted into a Detroit emergency room fuzzy fedora hat and all, by his "aides" while prominently displaying a screwdriver sticking out of his chest! It seems that the tool had been a donation from an irate husband of one of the women he was cheating on Coretta with. He showed up more times in the future, never in an honorable context. I got the feeling that Jet resented him disgracing the clergy he was supposed to belong to, and shaming honorable Blacks. It's amusing that since his "martyrdom" he is being given secular canonization by vote hungry politicians. Reagan bought black votes by giving him a National Holiday (for shame, Ronnie, that was misuse of power) and Dubyah is now trying to cash in on Reagan's success by suggesting that this profligate preacher deserves a national monument in D.C. I guess the next move to suck up to the black voters is to posthumously elect MLK the first Black President! Hey, give that horny goat credit, he was one bodacious speech maker, but that shouldn't qualify him for the Holiday he was given, let alone lift him to sainthood.
Name: Bill Rouchell (BigKahuna505@webtv.net) Time: 1/19/2004 (18:5:22)
I may be alone in this but I doubt it. I spent the day wishing and speaking about this being the birthday of a truly honorable gentleman a man of real value Gen.Robert E.Lee. Not of that rabble rouser who is no more than the result of political pandering.
Name: Jeff (dolphin2310@yuhknow.com)
Time: 1/19/2004 (16:19:26)
The following has been attributed to Angy Rooney:
I don't think being a minority makes you a victim of anything except numbers. The only things I can think of that are truly discriminatory are things like the United Negro College Fund, Jet Magazine, Black Entertainment Television, and Miss Black America. Try to have things like the United Caucasian College Fund, Cloud Magazine, White Entertainment Television, or Miss White America; and see what happens. Jesse Jackson will be knocking down your door.
I have the right "NOT" to be tolerant of others because they are different, weird, or tick me off.
When 70% of the people who get arrested are black, in cities where 70% of the population is black, that is not racial profiling, it is the Law of Probability.
I believe that if you are selling me a milk shake, a pack of cigarettes, a newspaper or a hotel room, you must do it in a form of English that is understandable!
I could't agree more! NO to holiday for MLK!!!!!!!
Name: Jeff Davis (jeffrey.davis41@verizon.net)
Time: 1/19/2004 (16:13:0)
The day a monument to him is erected on the mall in DC, I'm leaving the country!
Name: sandra fox (graytabby@webtv.net) Time: 1/19/2004 (14:59:44)
does martin luther king, jr deserve a national holiday? NO!!!!!
Name: grapefruittea (kelseydo@ivillage.com)
Time: 5/3/2002 (15:24:33)
we must remind each generation fool, or they will make the same mistake. Icons are because humans are. We must beleive in something or there is no reason to achieve. Your time on earth is limited, there will be others after you and yours. History, all history is extremely important, less we stagnate in our own folly. Your views are of a very young mind...the abilty to really feel, reason and think somehow has been amputated...in a neurotic attempt to be king of the universe! hush fool! you're embarassing the humans.
Name: 007Bistromath (Bistromath007@aol.com)
Time: 3/29/2002 (14:1:57)
Heh. Can't wait to see the stuff on this one.
Only one thing I don't agree with you on here: New Year's isn't SUPPOSED to be about anything other than getting drunk. It's the one and only guilt-free true holiday in today's self-flagellating rhetoric. If you try to really properly party any other time of the year without mentioning the purpose of the holiday and purchasing the appropriate merchandise, somebody with a bug up their ass and a hole in their wallet comes to tell you that you've forgotten what X-mas is really all about, you should be ashamed of yourselves, and would you please buy this wonderful Nativity scene from Church X as your repentance. (I, of course, am not Xtian, nor do I celebrate that holiday, so I don't encounter this problem. It just seems like the most readily usable example.) Our crappy world NEEDS New Year's Day to be purposeless, because if we don't have SOMETHING that's just for fun, we're going to self-destruct.
As a side note, the only holidays I recognize are the patriotic ones, and the only one I really celebrate is the Fourth. Memorial Day and President's Day are kind of like year-round things to me, me being the nationalist that I am. And nobody ever heard of getting drunk on President's Day.
Name: someone (noneofyour@damnbusiness.com)
Time: 3/20/2002 (19:0:47)
Would you look at all the Nazis. I guess the writer now knows who his/her fan base is.
I am not outraged by the Outrage, but by the Neo-Nazi's who commented.
Name: Steve W. Howeth (steve@stevehoweth.com)
Time: 3/12/2002 (11:30:16)
M.L.K. Was a great leader of black americans. But he did not represent americans as a whole as did the past presidents of the U.S.A..so therefore he doesent deserve a holliday in his name for all americans to participate in.
Name: EzPoTiC (ezpotic@hotmail.com)
Time: 2/26/2002 (22:31:48)
No, he doesn't deserve a holiday. Just like everyone else has stated we condense all the lives that were given in the preserving of out great nation into a single day along with the Pres. that have lead our nation through tough times. I know what your saying, oh but he represents the social inequality, well get off it. The man was a womanizer and if you want to talk about someone who help the blacks in there efforts to become free and equal then why not have a Lincoln Day. After all he signed the Emancipation Proclamation. As far as i'm conserned MLK day is a bunch of crap
Name: mad cactus (mad_cactus@yahoo.com)
Time: 1/26/2002 (11:17:40)
Well of course he deserves his own holiday. Its the only day of the year I have a reason to be sick to my stomach.
Name: jo moshiree (jojobean39@hotmail.com)
Time: 1/25/2002 (9:47:23)
i do think that luther deserves his own holiday. he has granted the equality of many blacks and i think that is wonderful. however, i do think that white people should celebrate the holiday as well. in FL cretain work places only gave the black people the day off. what kind of racism is that? if we only gave white people the day off on independance day, since they had absolutely nothing to do with our independance, those civil rights media whores like jessie jackson would be all over it like a brotha on a bucket of fried chicken.
Name: Dan (mcgllcdd@hotmail.com)
Time: 1/23/2002 (9:58:50)
Your WE HAVE A DREAM article makes broad assumptions that are not altogether true and often compares apples and oranges. Your references to the ills of reverends are obviously modeled after Jessie Jackson. While he deserves every criticism that he gets and then some I believe that lumping all black community and religious leaders into the same group as opportunistic users is a mistake. I also believe that lumping Martin Luther King Jr. into the same group with JFK, Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana and Elvis is also a mistake. As you point out only thing that they have in common is dying young. I am not a historian but can pick out some major character flaws in JFK, Marilyn Monroe, and Elvis but have a hard time coming up with one for Mr. King. I believe that the day has come when you can criticize black cultural icons without being labeled a racist however you failed to give one valid criticism of Martin Luther King Jr. Martin Luther King Jr. day is what you’re looking for a holiday that really matters. It is not about football, presents or hangovers Martin Luther King Jr. had a life that that is worth remembering and worth celebrating. And this is coming from a conservative white male in the top income bracket.
Dan
Name: Kimberly (irelandsouth@nettally.com)
Time: 1/22/2002 (20:13:55)
No, MLK does not deserve a holiday. I will also add that I am appalled at the sad reality that most adults who have written to you, can not use proper english much less spell it. This nation is in deep S_IT. So much for our American educational system. OH YEAH!!!
Name: cLEdUs (don't want a response back from anyone)
Time: 1/22/2002 (17:6:40)
A holiday--Immortalize that black man--doubt it! The world has gone to crap because of his folowers and people like him! Look at like this. The only reason the "so called follower" Jesse Jackson has a cause is that he has the black population convinced they are the victim and they deserve and should take what the government has to offer! Louis Farrakhan hiding behind bulletproof glass--scared of his own people but he gives praise to MLK. Heck, Malcolm X wouldnt stand against Mohammed because he was scared that if he didnt give all authority over to Islam that he would be killed. OOPS, look what happened. So Im supposed to recognize MLK for what he did. He didnt do anyhting but have a dream that has turned into a nightmare. The liberals in government are buying up every vote they can. With every new food stamp program and welfare revision they make, the blacks grow more hungry for a handout! You dont hear of the public schools teachin children about the truth because they dont want the truth out there. Whites didnt just beat the crap out of the blacks and drag them over like they make it out--oh we da victum, we opresst! The head tribesman sold the best blacks to the white man for profit! They sold their own people out. I dont owe them nothin! So to go a long way to say it, NO that black son of a doesnt deserve a holiday! OH Ill celebrate it alright, takin day out of school and not doin nothin at work. Yeah ill take it though! Keep your minds clear ladies and gentlemen! Life is exciting but you got to know where you stand so you dont fall on your face!
Name: G. newman (N/A)
Time: 1/22/2002 (14:40:48)
I don`t belive in black monday. I belive we should better spend our time planning the next revolution to free us from the coming "new world order"
AND the SOON to come , and I mean SOON!! Chip in our bodies all in the name of NATIONAL SECURITY ! Get ready people ! TIME TO FIGHT !!
Name: VT (No email address provided) Time: 1/22/2002 (14:23:28)
When my nephew was in high school, he was given a composition assignment by a (black) teacher. He was told to write about the life of Martin Luther King in celebration of MLK's birthday. My nephew was factual in listing the plagaristic and adulterous antics of the man. Having a mother and grandfather who legitimately earned their own doctorates, he didn't feel that Martin Luther King deserved the title. He did not feel that Martin Luther King was a good societal role model and he espoused that view in his essay. He was severely reprimanded by the teacher and she threatened to fail him for the year if he did not change the contents of his paper. None of this content was incorrect or gratuitously anti-black; it was simply anti-wrongful behavior. He presented a balanced view of the man's life-good and bad. But he pointed out that great speaking skills and charisma should never outweigh personal behavior and lifestyle for any public figure. His parents supported his standpoint, but he then had problems with the teacher for the rest of the year because of what she felt were his "racist" views. I am outraged that a child is ordered by his teacher to erase all (true) negative commentary about a public figure from an essay merely because the person is considered an "African-American icon". It smacks of Communist propaganda tactics.
I am also outraged at the lengths to which one must go to be "politically correct" in our society today. I am outraged that it is permissable to hold a "Black Miss America" contest; have a "Black Entertainment" channel (BET); a "Black Caucas" in congress...etc...If any of these activities were prefaced with the word "white" instead of "black" we would have screams of "racism" flying fast and furious. It outrages me that ANY American would refer to themselves by prefacing it with another country's roots,ie: AFRICAN-American, ASIAN-American...etc. I do not call myself EUROPEAN-American, or IRISH-American or GERMAN-American. I am AMERICAN. Want equality in this country? Start by being just another American. Stop setting yourself apart. It is wrong to consider race, period. Being politically correct should mean not considering race at all. If it is wrong to set yourself apart as white, it is wrong to do it as Black, Latino or Asian. We are ALL simply Americans. Just ask the Taliban!
Name: pjclock (cazape@earthlink.net)
Time: 1/22/2002 (14:14:44)
January 21 is more commonly known as civil rights day.
Name: Michael Correll (the_parrot_of_doom@yahoo.com)
Time: 1/22/2002 (13:59:7)
I know most of the people saying King doesn't deserve a holiday are either weak willed or simply enjoy contradicting the modern society, but that doesn't stop me from being ashamed at the fellow members of our country. I have seen Reverend King called a communist at least 3 times already, and that obthers me. This is the 21st century folks! The commies aren't poisoning our water supply with flouride, and the Freemasons aren't taking over the country. So has a day to himself, while Jefferson and Washington are forced to share. What about Columbus day? He died penniless after proving what the majority of the world believed at the time anyway! Yet he has "a day to himself". You also point out how our "founding fathers" did more for the country than King ever did. Their only gripe with Britain was taxes that the crown had to impose after spending so much defending OUR land in the 7 Years War (
French and Indian war for you non European types). The taxes were legit, and were far less than the taxes our current regime imposed. And they spilt the blood of many an innocent doing it. King preached non-violence, and he practiced what he preached. He managed to set an entire people on the road to liberation without killing, or ordering the killing, of a single man. He should be praised, and if that praise results in a three day weekend, so be it.
Name: Steve W. Howeth (steve@stevehoweth.com)
Time: 1/22/2002 (11:35:37)
THANKS for the chance to sound off.
Name: Joseph Zweben (jmdancers@webtv.net) Time: 1/22/2002 (10:55:4)
No, I don't think MLK Jr. deserves a national holiday.
Name: Aaron R. (aaronr@peoplepc.com)
Time: 1/22/2002 (8:3:4)
Yes, I too believe that it is an outrage to have a holiday to honor Dr King and then lump all of the president,s birthdays into one holiday. George Washington sacrificed more of himself and his livelihood giving us a free nation for all people than did the philandering Dr King could have ever dreamt of doing. Besides all of this Dr King's philosophies are not being followed by the people that are supposedly following in his footsteps ie. Jesse Jackson. The largest problem facing the black people of our nation is illegitamte births. I have never heard this issue discussed by a single black leader. Blacks are being kept down by the liberal leaders who keep buying their votes through wealth transferring policies that keep them from bettering themselves through self reliance.
Name: Valerie (azspots@hotmail.com) Time: 1/22/2002 (6:53:30)
MLK day is absurd. To honor anyone who espounds that people "rise up" and basically revolt is a sham at best. The minorities already HAVE their day....every day....by law. Its called AFFIRMATIVE ACTION. Translated...if a white and person of equal qualifications apply for the same position, scholarship, etc. it sure will NOT be the white person that is awarded the "prize". Instead of all this racist whining, mainly on the part of the people of color...try being honest, hard working upstanding human beings. Rioting when you don't get your way does nothing more than to move yourselves backwards....its your own doing. Quit the whining and veiled crys of "racist" every time something does not go your way.
Name: Path (p_a_t_h@webtv.net) Time: 1/22/2002 (1:49:46)
Some have a dream, some have a nightmare. For once I would like to see someone say every thing that Lincoln had to say about blacks and whites. He knew that there was no way they could ever live together. You people need to find and read the Protcols of the Elders, (can be found on the web). People like King, Clinton , and even Bush are nothing but pawns in the game of the New World Order. It can not be stopped and trying to do so is to fight God, who is in charge and in controll. I refuse to celebrate the day of a man such as Martin Luther King Jr. aka Michale King.
I was amazed at how many people who do not know that Martin Luther was a great man, white. I put my email addy on this post, and I do not care to hear from anyone who disagrees with me, I don't agree to disagree
path
Name: earl e kujak (eekujak@webtv.net) Time: 1/21/2002 (22:35:41)
Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was a Black Racist Communist. His policies were to destroy American Capitalism and transfer power to Blacks. Work to destroy the economic system and disinfranchise the white ruling class and they'll create a National Holiday for you. Why not a Vladimir Lenin or Leon Trotsky holiday?
Name: j.e ray (223@ar15.death)
Time: 1/21/2002 (21:51:5)
I like the dude, he had the cult of personality. He was also a communist. We don't have a Ho Chi Minh day. If I was of color I would want Malcolm X Day. X had titanium plated balls that would clack together. Those of you that can, please read his auto biography. Fixity of purpose. If we didn't wack him, the effeminate white sheep would be busing his tables and mopping his floors. R.A.T.M.
Name: jerry jonas (jdjonas@yahoo.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (21:16:14)
you had some good thing to say, not too much problem with the martin luther king comments, just one of my own. From talking to blacks in chat, it's really clear that black kids have no role models except athletes, and the odds are against anyone, black or white becoming a pro, so if all their hope is in that dream, and it doesn't happen, where's the reason to live, and live by the rules. And this is for several generations. Think King was a fairly good role model to black kids, jesse and al sharpton are jokes. Urged one lady to start a magazine of non athlete role models for black kids.All i got, jerry
Name: Steven Peters (speters3@cfl.rr.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (21:7:43)
The moral wrongs that Dr. King protested were not my doing, but I keenly feel the loss our nation suffered from years of insisting black citizens live lesser lives. Let's pray that the MLK holiday commemorates the struggle to free us all from this benighted era, and not just the life of an all-too-mortal, yet brilliant, spokesman for equal dignity and opportunity for Americans.
Name: "A-Number oNe" ("Cygnus X1")
Time: 1/21/2002 (21:3:8)
MLK deserves a holiday just as much and more so than any of the other black folks I see out there allegedly for the black man(and of course, black woman.) If I had to name one black leader who was truely sincere in his efforts to harmonize relations between black and white America, MLK would be my pick. No need for anyone to become angry about that. There are corrupt folks in public office of all ethnicities, well represented in all facits of church, government, and American life. The fact that black folks, white folks, hispanic folks, asian folks, and all other folks, all seem to embrace corruption, and unfair practices against one another in our world sickens me. Deal with corruption and you can eliminate much of what you are "really" angry about. Everyone deserves a national holiday. Either way, it will be okay. Be safe. Be happy. Be honest with yourself.
Name: "A-Number oNe" ("Cygnus X1")
Time: 1/21/2002 (20:54:28)
MLK deserves a holiday just as much and more so than any of the other black folks I see out there allegedly for the black man(and of course, black woman.) If I had to name one black leader who was truely sincere in his efforts to harmonize relations between black and white America, MLK would be my pick. No need for anyone to become angry about that. There are corrupt folks in public office of all ethnicities, well represented in all facits of church, government, and American life. The fact that black folks, white folks, hispanic folks, asian folks, and all other folks, all seem to embrace corruption, and unfair practices against one another in our world sickens me. Deal with corruption and you can everyone deserves a national holiday. Either way, it will be okay. Be safe. Be happy. Be honest with yourself.
Name: Robert Steuber (planeseller@hotmail.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (20:52:47)
You are soooo right about the MLK b.s.. I almost threw up when they made his birthday a holiday and I'm still engraged. Thanks,
Name: seven sixtwoxthreenine (seven62x39@yahoo.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (20:23:37)
A womanizer, plagerizer & a Communist sympathizer. No national holiday for this hypocritical charlatan.
Name: Curtis A. Johnson (buffalochip@vcn.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (19:0:48)
No.
Name: Bob (Quailfang@Humper.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (18:56:0)
I'm disappointed in OUTRAGE. This 'king'holiday controversy was brought up by you last year. It's a repeat and to many repeats make for boredom. Just leave it alone, move onto another controversy, like
why should skinny assed United States citizens have to cover for the medical bills created by blubbered bellied United States citizens. Blubber injures, maims and kills. I wouldn't be suprised if it doesn't cost americans more money than
cancer from cigerettes does. Try asking about that. Personal I think blubber bellies should be under a different tax system. Fat Tax. For every pound over obesity a person is they should have to pay some percentage more than bonie-assed people do.
I'm hungry,think I'll go get a cheeze burger.
Name: John McGuire (mozy111@yahoo.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (18:13:28)
Just wanted to say Martin Luther King Jr. does not deserve
to have a National Hoilday.
Name: Dave (dlp358@hotmail.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (18:10:10)
MLK was just a man. If he desreves a holiday named after him, then so does everyone else
Name: jake (jake@jake's.net)
Time: 1/21/2002 (17:55:14)
Should there be a MLK holiday? I suppose it’s a good thing if you’re a white raciest, or a black raciest!
It is used by most whites to remember that blacks need special treatment to live and work in today’s society according to the black leaders! To remember that most black people that live in America today are not loyal to America, because their black leaders tell them they shouldn’t be! They always put Africa over America by calling themselves African-Americans, even though most of them, or their parents or grandparents, have never been to Africa! To remember that most black people vote in blocks the way black leaders tell them to do! To see what the results would be if the dreams of Al and Jessie, of a black government came true, by looking at the governments of Africa!
MLK, I believe, called for equality for everyone, That’s the way it should be! The black people in this country today, are making a mockery out of that! By celebrating MLK Day, people are just bringing attention to what the black leaders today are doing to their own race to make their own wallets a little bigger. These leaders use this day to seek special treatment for blacks, and collect huge bucks from their speeches to the black community, telling them how to vote, how bad they are being treated, and to help create a black nation here in America! It seems that this message is what most black people want to hear on MLK day!
Until every American citizen puts America first, is hired for their ability and not to fill a quota, makes up their own minds about voting, and receives no special treatment because of what they look like, MLK’s dream is a damn nightmare, and this day seems to be a catalyst for more division between the races!!
Name: Dan E. Hubbell (sogteama1@msn.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (17:48:42)
No!
Name: Hans Schieder (ba593@lafn.org)
Time: 1/21/2002 (17:13:30)
It seems to me that the number of women in this country significantly out number the number of blacks.
Nevertheless, I am not aware of a day set aside to commemorate the efforts of any women who secured the right to vote for their gender.
Of course, women rarely formed gangs to loot and burn square miles of cities...
Name: Steve (steve_cobb@compuserve.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (17:2:35)
Virginia, I am also black--I wonder how many of us there are here? Soundoff! I would indeed be in despair if I thought that this web site were in any way representative of my country, but I know that it is a six-sigma tail end of the bell curve (yes, to the comical White Guy below, that bell curve). Since White Guy brings it up, let me point out to those present who think that blacks are responsible for crime in the US:
1. The US has quite reasonable crime rates in comparison with white Europe:
http://www.economist.com/
printedition /displayStory.cfm?
Story_ID=513031
2. The US prison population nearly doubled under Clinton, with most of the growth due to non-violent drug "crimes". As for homicide, you can see its dependence on drug prohibition:
http://www.drugwarfacts.org/crime.htm
3. Blacks, being only 12-14% of the population, are not responsible for drug prohibition and the predictable collateral damage of the Drug War. Whites, blame yourselves. Go watch Traffic, or Blow. The US now has the highest per-capita prison population in the world, now at 2 million. WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE? WHERE IS YOUR SHAME?
Name: Virginia C. Pryor (v_pryor@bellsouth.net)
Time: 1/21/2002 (16:46:11)
Maybe you will tell us just what
a person needs to do to deserve the honor of a holiday?
As a black American, I feel that there is nothing any black could do would merit the honor in some persons's mind.
Name: Steve (steve_cobb@compuserve.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (16:28:35)
Your recurring dream, our recurring nightmare, just as banal and uninsightful as the first time, in 2000. How fortuitous: I saved my response! In discussing King, it's only appropriate that we plagiarize ourselves, and it's certainly easier than thinking.
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The black parasitic establishment has recently taken to criticizing one of my personal heroes, Thomas Jefferson. A Christian (or at least a deist and habitual Bible-reader), Jefferson hypocritically committed at least fornication, if not worse. But these imperfections do not diminish his accomplishments, nor do King's flaws diminish his achievements. You make the same mistake as Jefferson's detractors, perhaps just as dishonestly.
Comparing King as an individual to one of the first Presidents or all of those fallen in war is misleading. The Unknown Soldier represents all lost soldiers, Washington and Jefferson symbolize the founding of our country and ordainment of our Constitution, and King represents the struggle of a people for their natural rights under that same Constitution. Your "quiet people leading lives of unheralded virtue and real productivity" need a symbol to revere. Mean-spirited cretins need a symbol to desecrate.
Untimely death does not alone make greatness, but it is an innately human tendency to elevate a martyr, especially when a people are in need of a symbol. Without martyrdom, Christ may have vanished into the dustbin of history. I may doubt his divinity, but I don't spit on his followers or what he symbolizes.
The Revolutionary War brought most blacks nothing, the 4th of July means little to many of them. "Does Martin Luther King Jr. deserve a national holiday?" No. Do black Americans deserve one, to mark their independence nearly two centuries after white Americans achieved theirs? Yes.
Your racism is not seen by a lack of truth in your statements but by the truths that you choose to state. If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I submit that you are not part of the solution. Some people who are:
Larry Elder:
http://www.larryelder.com
Walter E. Williams:
http://www.gmu.edu/departments /economics/wew/
Ken Hamblin:
http://www.hamblin.com
Thomas Sowell:
http://www.tsowell.com
Name: Yvonne (Sorry...left blank because I know most of you won't like this and I don't want your e-mails)
Time: 1/21/2002 (15:47:24)
So, if MLK, Jr., doesn't deserve a holiday, why does Jesus?
Jesus was one individual. Jury is out on whether he really existed or is just a character in a series of parables.
While some of his teachings were of peace and kindness, he also taught hate and vengance.
And the movement he started was responsible for tremendous bloodshed (Crusades, Inquisitions, Witch Hunts, Northern Ireland, etc.) and in the name of domination, not freedom.
MLK was not a perfect man. I don't think many of our great leaders were perfect people...if there is any such thing. But his teachings were ALL of peace and equality.
I'd rather celebrate the birth of a real, flawed man who taught peace and equality than the birth of a man who may be real, whose teachings were contradictory, and whose movement lead to horrible intolerance, hate, and wars.
And MLK Day does more than just celebrate one man's birth. It keeps us focused on the fact that we still do not live is a just society and things like rights for people of color (particularly, blacks) and women are something relatively new to this country.
I'm 41 and find it sobering to know that there were former slaves alive during MY lifetime. During my mother's lifetime (she's 59), schools in parts of the NORTH were still segregated. My great aunt, who is 90, was alive when women finally got the right to vote. Fair housing laws, preventing housing discrimination, didn't appear until the 1960s. Nor did laws preventing discrimination in providing credit.
MLK day is really a reminder to all of us that we've had to struggle to get where we are ("Those who are ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it.") and that we have a long way to go before people, regardless of color, gender, sexual orientation, religion, and social class, have access to the same opportunities to succeed in life.
Name: jame (taltoo@cox.net)
Time: 1/21/2002 (14:49:24)
NO
If we can combine great presidents like Lincoln and
Washington into Presidents day why can't we do the
for King and other famous black people?
Name: Anna (the1andonlyvamp@hotmail.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (11:44:30)
No, he does not deserve a national holiday...but if he is granted one, then other ethnic backgrounds should too. Like Cinco de Mayo should be celebrated as an independence day, not just a day to drink tequila and eat nachos and tacos. Veterans that have done more for this country are remembered less and less each passing year. What's that all about? I agree with the comment about being able to criticize black cultural icons without being labeled a racist...but if that's the case, I'm proud to be a racist...I'm not white, but give up damn "The MAN has kept us down for too long." Older blacks have accepted their past. Blacks aren't the only ones that have ever been enslaved. Mexicans were enslaved by the Indians, the Jewish were too. Remember the Holocaust? Now there's a group of innocents that suffered! When is National Holocaust Day? Our grand Mr. King forgot to mention that era in his great speech. Was that on purpose? Or was it not mentioned because it did not happen to blacks? Equality my ass!
Name: Darth Beavis (xr4sam@yahoo.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (11:0:40)
I don't think that MLK deserves to be raised to a point where he is the equal of George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, or any of the brave men and women who died defending the dream of America. He was just one person in a LONG chain of people involved in the civil rights movement, and I feel that singling him out over any of the other people who were a part of it.
Name: Martin Hobbs (mhobbs@datasync.com)
Time: 1/21/2002 (10:59:57)
Holiday??? Hell NO!!! I could kick my yankee ancestors ass for bringing the blacks over here in the first place. If we had only known what the future would bring, I would have picked my own cotton, that's for sure!!
HOWEVER, blacks in the U.S. have an overwhelming better life than the poor blacks in Africa. If you don't think so just try to get a black to move BACK!!!
Rage Back!